Quote (xfrodobagginsx @ Aug 24 2023 12:55pm)
The next question I would pose to an evolutionist/naturalist is whether he considers himself moral. If you uphold yourself to any moral purpose whatsoever, you fail to live up to your worldview. As an evolutionist, you should act purely out of utility. Survival is your main goal. Of course none of this makes human experience intelligible given the fact that no one acts this way.
If you disagree with this theory, I ask you, do you steal from the blind? Survival of the fittest right? Would you steal from the blind if it were legal? Many atheists, evolutionists, naturalists, etc wouldn't. Because they are good moral people. They, however, don't live up to the obligation of the way they see the world. You aren't living up to your duty of primal survival. You are actually capable of things totally independent of natural selection, like love...even for those who have no impact on your life. Every dollar you give to the homeless, and every hour you volunteer, you do not out of utility, but out of love. Your goodness causes you to fail to live up to your worldview.
The law of thermodynamics and conservation of energy says that matter cannot be created NOR destroyed, yet matter exists. So, according to scientific law, it is impossible for anything to exist, yet it DOES exist. That is proof that God, who has power over scientific law made it. God created the matter from NOTHING as the bible says. When the bible was written, they knew nothing about the law of thermodynamics or conservation of energy, yet God DID.
But according to scientific law, the matter cannot be created nor destroyed so it's illogical to believe that it exists on it's own because according to science, it is IMPOSSIBLE for it to exist.
Where did it come from?
No its behavior which works and produces desired results.
Early man was like an animal. They shit where they drank water and killed for food or territorial disputes. Over time people learn that some short term behaviors produce beneficial results but bad long term outcomes. Morality is simply a guiding set of principles or code of conduct that is a byproduct of millions of years of human evolution that resulted in more refined look on the world at the interest of self preservation.
If I keep hitting someone with a stick to get lunch it might work well for years and decades. But eventually they will get tired and find a stick of their own and fight back. That isn't sustainable I am just hurting myself in the long run.
What does work is growing food together and not only are we more efficient and happier we both get well fed. No friction.
Being good is simply a path of least resistance. It is observable and learnable without the need for some magic book.
We are still long ways to go to grow as a species. But progress has been made.
The reason these things take such a long time to develop is it usually takes years, decades even lifetimes to get the feedback. Education, science, experience, history to learn from and access to that information was nothing like what we have now.
Christians and other religious nutjobs are still the most violent and backwards people of this world. That's a fact. They preach morality and how it's their god but words dont match their actions.
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