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Sep 5 2019 06:00am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 5 2019 05:18am)
That's why I support a new election in which the candidates' stance on a no deal brexit would be a central issue. If there is a clear majority for Remain or a no deal Brexit, then so be it and we can finally end this shitshow.




I think that was/is Johnson's point... there already is/was a majority.

There has been for three years. The EU is never gonna give a deal that isn't "more fair" to the EU than to the UK.
The UK is never gonna accept a deal that's less than fair.

So....that leaves you with the situation we have today. A handful of politicians in the EU and in the UK, dragging this out... until they either get a killer deal in their favor or they become old enough to no longer care.
Meanwhile, the folks that voted for brexit...just get screwed.
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Sep 5 2019 07:55am
Ah seems the anti no-deal law will pass.

The text presented by the opposition voted Wednesday night, supposed to prevent a "no deal", must be examined by the House of Lords, a step that should be reached Friday evening.
According to Labor, the government would have committed not to slow down the debate so that the upper house can rule before the suspension of Parliament, which intervenes from 9 September.

Why this change ?
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Ah seems the anti no-deal law will pass.

The text presented by the opposition voted Wednesday night, supposed to prevent a "no deal", must be examined by the House of Lords, a step that should be reached Friday evening.
According to Labor, the government would have committed not to slow down the debate so that the upper house can rule before the suspension of Parliament, which intervenes from 9 September.

Why this change ?


Because it would look very bad and undemocratic, and they saw that they wouldnt be successful with this strategy in the end, so with the looming general election in mind, they refrained from the filibuster.


When Johnson sent the House of Commons into prorogation, he could at least rebuke the accusation that it was undemocratic or a 'coup' with "the HoC had its chance, but couldnt agree on any compromise. they have proven to not get their shit together, so I have to act unilaterally and pull through".
But if some members of the House of Lords, who were not elected by the people, would now use a filibuster to obstruct their chamber from passing this bill which had a majority in the HoC and also has a majority in the Hourse of Lords, there would have been no way whatsoever to give this a positive spin. It would have been a blatant disregard for democracy and the British institutions. The Johnson administration and its allies were wise not to do that.

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Because it would look very bad and undemocratic, and they saw that they wouldnt be successful with this strategy in the end, so with the looming general election in mind, they refrained from the filibuster.


When Johnson sent the House of Commons into prorogation, he could at least rebuke the accusation that it was undemocratic or a 'coup' with "the HoC had its chance, but couldnt agree on any compromise. they have proven to not get their shit together, so I have to act unilaterally and pull through".
But if some members of the House of Lords, who were not elected by the people, would now use a filibuster to obstruct their chamber from passing this bill which had a majority in the HoC and also has a majority in the Hourse of Lords, there would have been no way whatsoever to give this a positive spin. It would have been a blatant disregard for democracy and the British institutions. The Johnson administration and its allies were wise not to do that.


So it would simply look too bad hu ? No deal was made with Labour regarding elections...

here's the bill that will pass Monday (bbc):

What does the no-deal bill say?

The bill, presented by Labour MP Hilary Benn, says the prime minister will have until 19 October to either pass a deal in Parliament or get MPs to approve a no-deal Brexit.

Once this deadline has passed, he will have to request an extension to the UK's departure date to 31 January 2020.

Unusually, the bill stipulates the wording of the letter Mr Johnson would have to write to the president of the European Council.

If the EU responds by proposing a different date, the PM will have two days to accept that proposal.

During that time, MPs - not the government - will have the opportunity to reject that date.

The bill also requires ministers to report to the House of Commons over the next few months. potentially providing more opportunities to take control of the timetable.



Ofc Europe does not want to hurt UK, we aren't enemies, so a request for a delay will probably be accepted...
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Sep 5 2019 09:22am


Can't sell the Scots the English Sun :P
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Can't sell the Scots the English Sun :P


:D

I guess in Scotland there's just no market for a tabloid being all invested into a no deal brexit.
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Quote (balrog66 @ Sep 5 2019 11:22am)
https://i.imgur.com/RGRy6OU.png

Can't sell the Scots the English Sun :P


You know what's most depressing about these shitrag mags? The fact that even in bumfuck Scotland Kendal Jenner manages to pollute the eyes of people in the check-out lanes. God that entire family/clan is a blight on humanity. Kendal has the eyes of a deer and the charisma of Keanu Reeves' shadow.

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You know what's most depressing about these shitrag mags? The fact that even in bumfuck Scotland Kendal Jenner manages to pollute the eyes of people in the check-out lanes. God that entire family/clan is a blight on humanity. Kendal has the eyes of a deer and the charisma of Keanu Reeves' shadow.


They called the one Jenner "self made". Its awful.

She's famous because her sister had a sex tape with ray J and her stepdad helped OJ beat murder.

Kim is starting a law firm btw. She is at least clever.

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They called the one Jenner "self made". Its awful.

She's famous because her sister had a sex tape with ray J and her stepdad helped OJ beat murder.

Kim is starting a law firm btw. She is at least clever.


Give Kim some credit. She's self-aware enough to know she's past her expiration date and can't compete with Kylie's youthful skankiness. At least she helps Trump feel hip from time-to-time.

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Quote (balrog66 @ 5 Sep 2019 17:22)
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Can't sell the Scots the English Sun :P


that scottish sun headline is hilarious!
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