Q.E.D.

Racial conservatives vs. everyone else isn't a good look for the future. Seems like a last circling of the wagons.

You guys lost the limited government/low taxes Republicans when Ryan and co jumped ship. They left the GOP idiocracy.

This post was edited by Skinned on Nov 27 2020 07:19am

Why are you so obsessed with race? Refusing to go full open borders or ultra-woke on racial issues is just one ingredient of modern conservatism, but there is so much more to it.

Why do you think did Trump make big inroads with hispanic voters in the 2020 election? And keep in mind that the gains were not limited to Cubans in Florida, where we could point to eccentric foreign policy views as an explanation. No, Trump also made huge gains in the Rio Grande Valley in South Texas, he saw girthy improvements in the latino precincts of Harris county (Houston) and other Texan cities. Even in Maricopa county (Phoenix), where Trump's support eroded overall, we could still see Trump gaining in the predominantly hispanic areas. Similarly, LA and San Jose moved around 5 points to the right compared to 2016. This movement definitely didnt come from the white Hollywood/Silicon Valley wokesters. Even among black males, Trump saw some gains, after the summer of BLM mind you.

Do you think all those PoC who broke ranks to vote for Trump this year are complete retards? Why the hell should these persons of color align themselves with a politician or political movement whose core tenet is white supremacy and whose core supporters are a basket of deplorable racist whites who plot mass shootings against them?


The tldr is that your race-obsessed assumptions are irreconcilable with reality.

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Yes, if the "Trumpification" of the GOP sticks after 2020, there will no longer be a place for libertarians (socially liberal, fiscally conservative) like Paul Ryan in the party. Good. The GOP better off without them anyway. And it's not like a "Squadified" post-Biden Democratic party will be a natural home for them either, so some of them will be forced to stick with the GOP anyway.

To elaborate on my previous post, I'll cite election analyst J. Miles Coleman from Sabato's Crystal Ball, who wrote the following analysis of the voter movement in Harris county/Houston:
"In Houston's Harris County, Biden finished slightly ahead of Clinton, but the internal movement was clear. He improved in the peripheral (whiter) areas, while slipping the minority precincts, in the south & center."

Here is the corresponding map, comparing Biden's and Clinton's margins in Harris county:




And here are two maps depicting where whites and hispanics in Houston live:
Hispanics:


Whites:




But keep deluding yourself and continue thinking that Trump and his voters are a thoroughly racist bunch and couldnt possibly appeal to and win over non-white voters.







Sources:
https://mobile.twitter.com/JMilesColeman/status/1325267759769546753/photo/1
https://www.chron.com/houston/article/Five-maps-illustrating-Houston-s-racial-breakdown-12711221.php

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 27 2020 08:06am

You attack me with the straw man that all liberals want open borders and then say I'm detached from reality while saying the GOP isn't about race when they've abandoned limited government and low taxes and double down on white identity politics. Ok.

I don't know how many people broke ranks to vote with trump considering more Americans voted against him than any other sitting president.

This post was edited by Skinned on Nov 27 2020 08:08am

A constant refrain from Trump supporters the past 4 years is "it doesn't matter what he does, the left will criticize it". It's not a true statement as it applies to Trump, but isn't that sort of what you're doing here? If leaders of the Democratic party like Biden would lean into divisive rhetoric, you would rightly criticize. But he's calling for unity, so you criticize that.

You also can't paint with a broad brush. There's those on the left who have been divisive and will be that way going forward... and then there's guys like Joe Biden who usually tries to be a uniting figure.

I never claimed that all liberals want open borders. A significant portion of them want it, but not every single one of them. You, on the other hand, made the claim (verbatim) that the GOP has become some sort of "racial conservatives vs everyone else"-show.

Furthermore, the GOP has NOT abandoned its stances against government overreach or in favor of low taxes. Insinuating otherwise is disingenuous. What was abandoned was the fixation on fiscal conservatism, the party embraced deficit spending.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 27 2020 08:14am

Fair points, but I have to disagree somewhat. Yes, Biden is calling for unity, and I appreciate that he does. And yes, he himself has not overly leaned into divisive rhetoric during the Trump years. So my pic is referring more to other liberals who were very toxic, divisive and antagonistic during Trump's tenure, and who are now hypocritically calling for unity. Hypocritically because the call implicitly but crucially refers to "unity on their terms"; and because they dont distance themselves from their toxic or unfair prior behavior.


If Biden is serious about his calls for unity, he must follow up the words with tangible action. For example, it would go a long way if Biden invoked Voltaire's famous quote: "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" and condemned the Big Tech censorship of conservative voices and opinion. But ok, he didnt have a lot of opportunity yet to follow up his uniting words with action, so that's not speaking against him (yet) - he deserves a fair opportunity.

The stance of large parts of his party, of liberal celebrities and journalists is something different though: "Now that we (our side) are back in charge, why cant we all be friends again?" These folks can go f*** themselves.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 27 2020 08:33am

I think most people on the left-of-center calling for unity now weren't the bomb-throwing types the past 4 years.

Perhaps. We're probably having a very different perception of the Democratic party. You're strongly focused on the center-left "Biden wing" of the party since that's your political home these days (sort of), while I'm strongly focused on the more radical elements of the party, like the squad or the Bernie/Warren wing.