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Apr 9 2021 08:41pm
Quote (thundercock @ Apr 10 2021 12:22pm)
That's impossible. Everyone has political leanings.


I know.
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Apr 9 2021 08:45pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Apr 9 2021 07:23pm)
538 puts Alito and Gorsuch to the left of Kavanaugh.

The Federalist Society has done a good job convincing people that their judicial philosophy is stronger than what the left has put out. They've convinced the Republican party, which actively campaigns on their behalf. I don't see that as a controversial thing. Liberal justices simply lack the requisite intellectual foundation with which to argue their opinions.


I went by Martin-Quinn scores but if Alito or Gorsuch are your median justices, the Court is unequivocally VERY right wing. There's nothing wrong with that, but the GOP played some pretty brutal politics in order to accomplish that.

I don't think people really care much about judicial philosophy. They just want results. Gorsuch expanded trans-rights using a textualist approach and that pissed off a lot of conservatives. If SCOTUS managed to ban abortion by coming up with an extremely liberal interpretation of the Constitution, conservatives would be fine with that.

The bold is laughable. There are brilliant left wing judges, right wing judges, and non-partisan judges. Are you going to tell me that Elena Kagan isn't one of the smartest SCOTUS judges? John Paul Stevens was also an intellectual giant.
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Apr 9 2021 08:51pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ 10 Apr 2021 04:41)
I know.


It's not just that every judge privately has political leanings, it's also that every kind of consistent judicial philosophy will, in practice, be more conducive to the political left or the political right. For example, a textualist approach will always lead to rulings which favor small, limited government and thus align more with the political right.
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Apr 9 2021 08:55pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 10 2021 12:51pm)
It's not just that every judge privately has political leanings, it's also that every kind of consistent judicial philosophy will, in practice, be more conducive to the political left or the political right. For example, a textualist approach will always lead to rulings which favor small, limited government and thus align more with the political right.


Small limited governments are great, what needs to be argued is where the limitation takes place.
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Apr 9 2021 10:13pm
Biden says the Constitution (and by extension every amendment) is “not absolute”

Fitting that the segregationist “black superpredator” crime bill writing lifelong swamp demon would want to complete mitigate, in particular, the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 10th, 13th, 14th, 19th, and 22nd amendments
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 9 2021 09:15pm)
There are tit-for-tat political moves that are proportional which we can agree are part of politics. This is not. No reason to take you seriously when you pretend like all escalations are basically the same. It's like someone shoving you at a bar and you going to get your shotgun and blasting them and then pretending like it was a justified and proportional response.

Let's say the Democrats pack the court. What's to stop the Republicans from doing exactly the same when they get in power? It basically destroys the whole point of the institution if it can just be diluted at convenience.


I dunno... refusing to give Obama his nominee 9 months out from a presidential election, and then removing the fillibuster for Supreme Court nominees, and then confirming another Trump justice a few days before a presidential election(completely contradicting the justification for refusing Obama's nominee). I don't view these actions collectively as "just politics". It was a pretty aggressive and shameful set of moves that resulted in a one-term president getting 3 SC picks, shifting the balance of the court to a comfortable conservative majority.

I admit expanding the court is not exactly proportional, but there's no other way for Democrats to respond. There's not really much middle ground between "do nothing" and "expand the court".

Refusing a president who won the popular vote his pick and giving 3 picks to a guy who lost the popular vote is not good for the institution either.
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Quote (IceMage @ Apr 10 2021 07:13am)
I dunno... refusing to give Obama his nominee 9 months out from a presidential election, and then removing the fillibuster for Supreme Court nominees, and then confirming another Trump justice a few days before a presidential election(completely contradicting the justification for refusing Obama's nominee). I don't view these actions collectively as "just politics". It was a pretty aggressive and shameful set of moves that resulted in a one-term president getting 3 SC picks, shifting the balance of the court to a comfortable conservative majority.

I admit expanding the court is not exactly proportional, but there's no other way for Democrats to respond. There's not really much middle ground between "do nothing" and "expand the court".

Refusing a president who won the popular vote his pick and giving 3 picks to a guy who lost the popular vote is not good for the institution either.


They also admitted that even if Hillary had won they were going to continue to stall as long as they could no matter who the nominee is.

Only the dishonest or stupid think its about anything but power politics. Bogie is the former, void is both.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 10 2021 06:36am
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 9 2021 09:36pm)
Obama replacing Scalia with Garland would have swung the balance of power on the SCOTUS to the left. Trump replacing Scalia with Gorsuch did not, it retained the status quo. Rushing through ACB was of course hypocrisy from McConnell, but like I have to keep repeating: this situation would not have existed without RBG's hybris. She is the one to blame for the opening that McConnell took advantage of. Why the fuck did an 81 year old two-time cancer survivor with a cardiac condition not retire while she still had the chance?


The alleged evil power grabs by Republicans that you use as a justification for your stance that a power grab by Democrats is justified consist of 1. using the mandate of the American people (a GOP senate majority) to preserve the existing power balance on the court and 2. exploiting an unforced error by liberals which handed them an opportunity on a silver platter. Compared to these actions by Republicans, creating a blatant partisan power play out of thin air (court packing) and ramming it through on a 50/50 split Senate would indeed constitute an escalation of the norm-breaking.


The reality of the situation is that Democrats got outplayed in the battle for control over the Supreme Court, and now they're pissed off and want to change the rules of the game to undo their loss. On a deeper level, their problem is that the Constitution gives the power of judicial nominations to the Senate, the chamber where they are at a significant structural disadvantage. Long-term, Democrats will thus be at a structural disadvantage when it comes to federal judicial nominations, including the SCOTUS. Court packing is basically an ad hoc fix for this problem since fixing the underlying issue (equal suffrage in the Senate & Senate being the chamber that confirms judges) would require changing the Constitution.


RGB not retiring under Obama is not relevant.

I don't view presidential appointments, whether it be staff or the judiciary, as a normal part of the political game, where if the opposition party controls the Senate, it's normal for them to refuse to confirm the president's people. A president should be able to choose his people, as long as they meet some standard of qualification. So the GOP winning the senate is not a mandate for them to nullify the choice made 2 years prior. Obama was president, he should've gotten his pick, unless there's not enough time to adequately vet the candidate. The criticism of RBG/liberals is victim blaming. They aren't responsible for the blatant hypocrisy and lack of fair play by Republicans.

Boiling all of this down to a game of power politics is part of the problem, but it also reveals how ridiculous you sound when you complain over Democrats flirting with norm breaking and escalatory moves. Again, I want a conservative court, and Democrats packing it would be bad for the country, but part of me wishes they would simply because Republicans deserve it.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ 7 Apr 2021 14:41)
The article I read was from Newsweek. Regardless, the tacit acknowledgement of the border issue by the Administration in agreeing that they'll resume construction where needed is a step forward.

I don't care if they copy the previous administration or not. All I care about is acknowledging when they do a good thing, and pointing out when they do a bad thing. If they do indeed resume construction, that's a good thing, which they will no doubt take full credit for in 2024. :)


Quote (Black XistenZ @ 7 Apr 2021 17:35)
All I ever wanted is Trump's policies without the obnoxious personality show. I'm still mildly sceptical, but if Biden indeed ends up as the one to deliver it, I'll gladly take it.


https://nypost.com/2021/04/12/biden-strikes-deal-with-northern-triangle-countries/

Biden strikes Trump-esque deal with Northern Triangle countries amid migrant surge

but they said there wasn’t a surge and no crisis at the border like last week?? now they need to copy Trump’s border security policy which involved legit diplomacy with neighboring countries

as i so eloquently detailed, Biden (or any other administration) can just copy Trump’s playbook on nearly every matter and find success
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Quote (excellence @ Apr 12 2021 02:39pm)
https://nypost.com/2021/04/12/biden-strikes-deal-with-northern-triangle-countries/

Biden strikes Trump-esque deal with Northern Triangle countries amid migrant surge

but they said there wasn’t a surge and no crisis at the border like last week?? now they need to copy Trump’s border security policy which involved legit diplomacy with neighboring countries

as i so eloquently detailed, Biden (or any other administration) can just copy Trump’s playbook on nearly every matter and find success


This is a good thing. Frankly, if Trump were smart, he would have paid to have a wall built along Mexico's southern border.
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