Always delivers a chuckle

Good one!

The tldr of all of this that the Brexit referendum revealed a deep split among the British population concerning several fundamental political matters, and in the 3 years since then, neither the British people nor the British parliament have made ANY progress towards coming together or finding a compromise all sides can live with. They are just as polarized and divided as they were 3 years ago, if not even more so.

Three years, and they got fuck all to show for it.

If it were to be a corporate project it would have been thrown of the table.. Politicians are bad at admitting mistakes as it lead to political suicide. And thus, this goes on.

This post was edited by Knoppie on Aug 28 2019 04:40pm

Yep.

The Brexiteers in the UK are not convinced that it was a mistake. This is not the board of a corporation, this is a democracy, where the people in the leadership, the ones who could throw the brexit project off the table, have to face their voters again at some point in the future - and a significant chunk of these voters still believes in this project, irrespective from the number of Tory politicians who truly are still "believers" behind closed doors.

That's also the difference to a corporation: abandoning a failing project in a corporation can be pulled off without the board losing its job. When it comes to Brexit - the Tories would be annihilated if they now came out in public and said "yes, we supported brexit in the past, but we have now realized how wrong we were, therefore, we will now join the LibDems and Labour and withdraw article 50". The vast majority of their MPs wouldnt even have to run for reelection in that scenario...

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 28 2019 05:59pm

The Lib Dems don't have an experienced and respected MP that could be the transitional PM. It would be more likely that either a Blairite MP like Harriet Harman or a one nation Tory who has passionately opposed Brexit throughout, such as Kenneth Clarke, would lead the temporary government.

Also, the idea that Labour hold a lot of the Leave vote isn't true anymore - most of them defected to Brexit Party or the Tories a while ago. Adopting a full-on Remain approach has been Labour's best potential strategy to get into number 10 since the Withdrawal Agreement was dead in January.

This post was edited by dro94 on Aug 29 2019 05:19am

In 1672, Johan de Witt can not prevent Louis XIV from invading the Netherlands as part of the Dutch war. Accused of having delivered the Republic to France and, wrongly, to want to assassinate Prince William, he is imprisoned with his brother Cornelis, awaiting a trial for high treason: August 20 of the same year, the two men are massacred by a pro-Orangist* gathering who forces the doors of their cell, then savagely mutilates their bodies (the chronicle even speaks of a case of anthropophagy): this episode watching the death of a man as history retrospectively considered competent, is considered by the Dutch as absolutely shameful.

*btw https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Vaucluse-Position.svg/langfr-280px-Vaucluse-Position.svg.png
Weird.




How about the whole moderated, typically insular, Left ? These people who will stay in labour while still being more likely refractory to Europe ... ?
However i think now that after all this time wasted it's time to " clear the air " . 3 years of waiting. UK has to stick on agreement* OR leave brutally, with all the consequences and i think we are all prepared for this now.

*PS:the proposed agreement is the best possible and will not change.


I means, the Brexit is like Trump or Far-Right Populism in EU: they rise, they fall, people are realizing who they now and it's a good thing. Evolution...

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Aug 31 2019 03:16pm

I'm not even English, but I seriously don't like Jeremy Corbyn.

I think for the UK to make the statement that they are still a world power, they MUST get out from under the yoke of EU membership.

The UK objectively isn't a world power and hasn't been since the 1950's. The land mass and population is far too small to compete long term with the US, China and India.

Middle size countries like Japan, Germany, the UK and France will gradually become less signifcant players (and already are), but it seems like the UK is the only one still holding on to the British exceptionalism that has been promoted within our culture.