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Feb 24 2022 10:13am
Quote (Vastet @ Feb 24 2022 10:10am)
Keep projecting. Calling lies what they are clearly upsets you, which is why you attacked me and we've gone in circles since. I don't care that it upsets you. Grow up.


You couldn't prove a single lie on my part if your miserable life depended on it.
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Feb 24 2022 10:15am
Quote (Santara @ 24 Feb 2022 11:13)
You couldn't prove a single lie on my part if your miserable life depended on it.


lol a 6 year old could point out your multiple lies in this topic alone. The delusions are real.
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Feb 24 2022 10:49am
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lol a 6 year old could point out your multiple lies in this topic alone. The delusions are real.


So clearly you lack the skillset of even a child. Also noted.
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Feb 24 2022 11:11am
Quote (Santara @ 24 Feb 2022 11:49)
So clearly you lack the skillset of even a child. Also noted.


Says the child. For fun lets do a little review.

A few examples of lies. Not as many as I'd expected I'll admit, you are not amongst the worst of the liars. But still a liar.

Quote (Santara @ 18 Feb 2022 11:03)
They're never going to achieve 100% compliance. The VAST majority of the population is protected to some extent - this is especially true when you consider that a good proportion of the remaining 10% has probably been infected and recovered - so why must the government ratchet up the pressures on the remaining unvaccinated population?


Quote (Santara @ 19 Feb 2022 09:35)
I always saved this quote because it was funny AF in the context of the time, but it's all of a sudden mildly prescient:


Quote (Santara @ 23 Feb 2022 06:02)
LMAO, Canada - "a real military power."

https://i.imgur.com/74paO7N.jpg

And no, 80+% does NOT support the Emergency Act.

https://ipolitics.ca/2022/02/19/more-canadians-strongly-oppose-emergencies-act-mainstreet-poll/


First a lie of implication. The unsubtle and false suggestion that the invoking of the emergency act was an attempt to force the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. When the emergency act invocation was specifically to deal with multiple border crossing blockades and the seige of Canada's Capitol, as well as attempts to seige other major cities.

Second, a simple and blatant lie. Canada ranks in the top 25 for military power. Out of 180ish-200+ countries (depending on what is recognized as a country). When you can conceivably conquer half the land on Earth, you're a real military power. Granted, we'd have to get there which would require a year or two of naval modernization. And also granted that if any other real military stood against Canada in the imagined war, the conquest would almost certainly fail. But that doesn't change the status of Canada's military capability.

Third, the majority of Canadians definitely supported the use of the emergency act. In the following article 2/3 of the country supports it straight up, and 82% of the population was tired of government inaction. Not specifically supporting the emergency act but certainly indirectly supporting it.

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/02/17/trudeau-emergencies-act-poll/

edit: oops lost a bit in copying stuff. The 3rd was actually your quoting of someone claiming Canada was a terrorist country with the implication you agreed with it. lol all I need to say there.

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First a lie of implication. The unsubtle and false suggestion that the invoking of the emergency act was an attempt to force the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. When the emergency act invocation was specifically to deal with multiple border crossing blockades and the seige of Canada's Capitol, as well as attempts to seige other major cities.

Second, a simple and blatant lie. Canada ranks in the top 25 for military power. Out of 180ish-200+ countries (depending on what is recognized as a country). When you can conceivably conquer half the land on Earth, you're a real military power. Granted, we'd have to get there which would require a year or two of naval modernization. And also granted that if any other real military stood against Canada in the imagined war, the conquest would almost certainly fail. But that doesn't change the status of Canada's military capability.

Third, the majority of Canadians definitely supported the use of the emergency act. In the following article 2/3 of the country supports it straight up, and 82% of the population was tired of government inaction. Not specifically supporting the emergency act but certainly indirectly supporting it.

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/02/17/trudeau-emergencies-act-poll/

edit: oops lost a bit in copying stuff. The 3rd was actually your quoting of someone claiming Canada was a terrorist country with the implication you agreed with it. lol all I need to say there.


You know what lies are, right? Where a person makes a knowingly false statement? My implication was that the government issued mandates to the truckers - that's the ratcheting up the pressure on them - when it was likely to little good. That the truckers decided to revolt, necessitating (supposedly) the use of the Emergency Act is not ratcheting up pressure for them to get vaccinated, it's ratcheting up pressure for them to leave their protest. Clearly, I am talking about the former, not the latter.

The US military is the top military in the world, by a country mile. The entire Canadian military manpower is 1/7 of just the US Army, much less the US military. Virtually all of your population lives within 100 miles of US territory. I'm not making an argument that the US could invade Canada and subsequently quell an insurrection, but in a toe to toe battle, the fight would be over in a few weeks. So no, this also isn't a lie.

On the third point, not only is your source a week old, my newer source had the benefit of the public knowing what the invocation meant (rights stripped, bank accounts locked, gross government overreach). And you still didn't reach the 80+% you said supported the invocation of the Act in the first place. So I still haven't lied.

That "terrorist country" quote was mentioned including "context." You had to have been posting in PaRD years ago to have understood it was originally just a funny reply to a post by a Canadian user wondering why a US jet was flying overhead.
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Feb 24 2022 01:37pm
Now a free country is being invaded by an unfree nation this stuff pales in importance.
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Now a free country is being invaded by an unfree nation this stuff pales in importance.


If the Freedom Convoy Truckers had stormed the Parliament building and seized control of the Canadian government and Justin Trudeau fled to France in exile while a new populist regime modelled on "Trump Democracy" was installed, would you still call Canada a free country?
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Feb 24 2022 03:57pm
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You know what lies are, right? Where a person makes a knowingly false statement? My implication was that the government issued mandates to the truckers - that's the ratcheting up the pressure on them - when it was likely to little good. That the truckers decided to revolt, necessitating (supposedly) the use of the Emergency Act is not ratcheting up pressure for them to get vaccinated, it's ratcheting up pressure for them to leave their protest. Clearly, I am talking about the former, not the latter.

The US military is the top military in the world, by a country mile. The entire Canadian military manpower is 1/7 of just the US Army, much less the US military. Virtually all of your population lives within 100 miles of US territory. I'm not making an argument that the US could invade Canada and subsequently quell an insurrection, but in a toe to toe battle, the fight would be over in a few weeks. So no, this also isn't a lie.

On the third point, not only is your source a week old, my newer source had the benefit of the public knowing what the invocation meant (rights stripped, bank accounts locked, gross government overreach). And you still didn't reach the 80+% you said supported the invocation of the Act in the first place. So I still haven't lied.

That "terrorist country" quote was mentioned including "context." You had to have been posting in PaRD years ago to have understood it was originally just a funny reply to a post by a Canadian user wondering why a US jet was flying overhead.


Liars gotta lie.
Mandates on truckers are and were irrelevant. The US has the exact same rules, changing the rules in Canada would have done absolutely nothing. They'd still need vaccination to cross the border and there were no internal mandates except those imposed by companies and/or provincial governments, yet the seige was against the federal government and could never accomplish anything. Attempt to move goalpost failed².

The US government is indeed the top military power, but not by a country mile or any other such measure. As demonstrated by guys in rags kicking your asses to the curb as well as your inability to contain any aggressive world power. Or even unsupported third world powers like Cuba and Venezuela. You're delusional if you think the US can win against world powers. And insanely delusional if you think the US can take Canada. Not only because we aren't pushovers in the second largest country on Earth, but because it would result in the entire Earth vs the US. You'd be a smoking crater in a week.

Doesn't matter how old my source is now, it was current as of my claim. And you shoot down your own argument by acknowledging things change while ignoring things change simultaneously. Also, it very clearly points out that 82% of Canadians were sick of the criminals unduly impacting daily life and wanted it done with. The federal government thusly correctly determined to take necessary actions to end it, with a vast majority of support. So lies.

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Feb 24 2022 04:48pm
Quote (Vastet @ Feb 24 2022 03:57pm)
Liars gotta lie.
Mandates on truckers are and were irrelevant. The US has the exact same rules, changing the rules in Canada would have done absolutely nothing. They'd still need vaccination to cross the border and there were no internal mandates except those imposed by companies and/or provincial governments, yet the seige was against the federal government and could never accomplish anything. Attempt to move goalpost failed².

The US government is indeed the top military power, but not by a country mile or any other such measure. As demonstrated by guys in rags kicking your asses to the curb as well as your inability to contain any aggressive world power. Or even unsupported third world powers like Cuba and Venezuela. You're delusional if you think the US can win against world powers. And insanely delusional if you think the US can take Canada. Not only because we aren't pushovers in the second largest country on Earth, but because it would result in the entire Earth vs the US. You'd be a smoking crater in a week.

Doesn't matter how old my source is now, it was current as of my claim. And you shoot down your own argument by acknowledging things change while ignoring things change simultaneously. Also, it very clearly points out that 82% of Canadians were sick of the criminals unduly impacting daily life and wanted it done with. The federal government thusly correctly determined to take necessary actions to end it, with a vast majority of support. So lies.


You just reinforced my point. They still weren't going to get vaccinated. There's no goal moving here, you obviously didn't read for comprehension the first go-round.

Excuse me, where and when did the US Army get its ass kicked by rag heads? Which battle? Do you understand the difference between tactical mastery and strategic ineptitude? On the field of battle, the US military has no peer.

It was dated. I know it was dated, because I looked specifically for the most recent data when I replied. "82% of Canadians were sick of..." is not the same thing as "82% support the use of an extremely overbroad law."

No lies bruh, no lies.
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Feb 24 2022 05:00pm
Quote (Santara @ 24 Feb 2022 17:48)
You just reinforced my point. They still weren't going to get vaccinated. There's no goal moving here, you obviously didn't read for comprehension the first go-round.

Excuse me, where and when did the US Army get its ass kicked by rag heads? Which battle? Do you understand the difference between tactical mastery and strategic ineptitude? On the field of battle, the US military has no peer.

It was dated. I know it was dated, because I looked specifically for the most recent data when I replied. "82% of Canadians were sick of..." is not the same thing as "82% support the use of an extremely overbroad law."

No lies bruh, no lies.


They still weren't accomplishing anything except tanking the Canadian economy and pissing off millions of people. it was an absolutely pointless exercise and the government action was supported by the people.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, the list goes on. Maybe you think casualties alone define the victor, but they don't. Achievement of goals defines the victor. Afghanistan clearly won. Iraq didn't win, but everyone including the US lost. Syria is still in Al-Assad's hands and Al Quaida is still blowing people up. Indeed for a time the attacks actually made things worse, thanks to USA for ISIS. Great job.

If the US has no peer, explain why the Pentagon specifically stated that the US was incapable of challenging China on China's turf.
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