I see. But then I can also say that businesses should not be allowed to discriminate against patrons based on vaccination status either. Why should the fact my arm hasn't been pierced with a hypodermic needle prevent me from accessing your business? Just give me a good reason. And no, "you would be endangering my employees' and other patrons' health" doesn't work, because I simply do not agree with it.



The idea is that businesses cannot demand to know a patron's vaccination status prior to serving him. It would be a serious breach of privacy.

Like if that's what you are advocating then you will need to tell us how businesses can find that out about you without seriously violating your privacy.


A vaccine card is just another name for a vaccine passport. We live in different areas, so our governments use different language. Anyway, nobody is saying that a vaccine card is a medical record. Bobb is just saying that they are very similar. They are both something very private that no businesses should have any business inquiring about.

This post was edited by JessiWan on Sep 8 2021 09:52pm

Not really. Sounds to me like the patron has been coerced.

This is kind of the point. My right to privacy will prevent businesses from success.

You have missed the fact that businesses without customers aren't businesses for long, yes?

In which case those businesses will fail. Problem solved.



You aren't coerced to go into a business.

Why shouldn't I be allowed to discriminate based on vaccine status? My reasons are my own and I can do what I want. That's freedom. If I want to discriminate on the basis of shoe color I can do that too. Private individuals can do whatever they want for any and all reasons that aren't explicitly banned. That's what the 10th amendment says when it says "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Sep 8 2021 10:24pm

But they are coerced into showing their vaccine cards in order to buy things. Things could very well be essential, such as grocery.

www.walmart.com

Reasonable accommodations are made for people who are unvaccinated, or who even simply refuse to wear a mask indoors, allowing them access to grocery shopping.

Then maybe we can add covid beliefs to the list of the explicitly banned. You believe that not being vaccinated will endanger you and your employees, whereas I don't. You cannot refuse to serve me just because I believe in different things than you do. This kind of brings us back to my original point, where I mentioned "political beliefs". Maybe "political beliefs" isn't accurate, but what we are talking about is definitely a belief of some sort. And if you ask an average person, they will tell you that you as a business owner should not be allowed to discriminate against patrons just because they believe in different things than you do.

Something being conditional does not mean it is coerced. If I say "you can't come in my house unless you take off your shoes" that is not coercion. If you don't want to get vaccinated you can use a myriad of pickup options and delivery options.