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Jan 28 2021 07:37pm
no one likes what happened at Capitol hill, they just don't feel like Trump should be the scapegoat for it after all the riots during summer
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Jan 28 2021 07:39pm
Quote (Ghot @ Jan 28 2021 05:01pm)
You're right!

What Trump said was kind of iffy, what those Dems said is clearly breaking the law.




/e Where my list? Ah, here it is...




1. Dems paid for false documentation (Steele dossier), and bought the major media sources.
2. Dems used the false documentation to acquire FISA warrants... illegally.
3. Dems used those FISA warrants to illegally spy on the Republican nominee... et al.
4. Dems got just about every Dem judge in the land to allow idiotic suits against anything Trump tried to accomplish.
5. Dems used the information they got illegally, to harass, charge and convict any and all in the hope something would drop that they could use against Trump.
5. Dems also used this illegally gotten information to start the Russiagate investigation.
7. Dems then got Blasey_Ford to accuse Kavanaugh.
8. Dems paid protesters to disrupt the Kavanuagh hearings.
9. Dem Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal, went on Facebook and said: "I wish someone would assassinate Trump.
10. Dem Congress woman Waters in interviews called for other Dems to harass and assault Republicans, Republican politicians and white house staff, w/e they went out in public.
11. Dems, after Mueller came back with no conviction, started in on Ukrainegate.
12. Dems used falsified statements by whistle blower and then by State Dept. members, to go for an Impeachment.
13. Dems, after failing to get Trump ousted started blaming Trump for covid-19 response, even though it's been proven that the W.H.O withheld crucial information from not only the US, but from the World.
14. Dems, after failing to damage the President of the US enough, with that... are now adding fuel to the fire, to incite to riot.
15. Dems then, use the resulting chaos to try to trap Trump between a rock and a hard place... whether or not to use the military to put a stop to the rioting and damage.
16. Dems now, call out their hole card, Mattis, to add edges to the rock and the hard place they've set up.
17. Dem Nancy Pelosi: “I just don’t know why there aren’t uprisings all over the country, and maybe there will be.”
18. Dem Kamala Harris: “Protesters should not let up” and “They’re not gonna let up and they should not.”
19. Dem Ayanna Pressley: “There needs to be unrest in the streets.”
20. Dems waste tax payers money a third time with Insurrectiongate.





But yeah, Trump is the bad guy for saying: "Let's go to Washington". :/


Too bad, that all won't fit on a T-Shirt. :D



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Jan 28 2021 07:51pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Jan 28 2021 05:03pm)
The House members are accountable to their base, and the base likes Trump. Some bridges can't be burned, the House is directly accountable to their constituents, as Cheney is like finding out.


Then how was Trump held accountable? Bad press, low approval ratings, and being the only President to have been impeached twice? I really don't think his behavior has been deterred in any way.
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Jan 28 2021 09:06pm
Quote (fuzzy159 @ Jan 29 2021 10:40am)
Yeah they asked for violence. He said he was going somewhere. You are right huge difference.


I already replied to this but you said you are not a cult member, yet here we are.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Jan 28 2021 09:06pm
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Jan 28 2021 09:11pm
Quote (thundercock @ 29 Jan 2021 07:41)
Really? Republicans don't support impeaching the leader of their party? I am SHOCKED.



Maxine Waters has the only egregious statement there IMO because that's harassment. I think you are conflating protesting with rioting and there is a difference.

Pelosi and asking for uprisings?
uprisings?? all over the country??? hello???

Definition of uprising
an act or instance of rising up especially : a usually localized act of popular violence in defiance usually of an established government.

This post was edited by excellence on Jan 28 2021 09:13pm
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Jan 28 2021 09:45pm
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Pelosi and asking for uprisings?
uprisings?? all over the country??? hello???

Definition of uprising
an act or instance of rising up especially : a usually localized act of popular violence in defiance usually of an established government.


I took it as that her party is so incompetent that she is legitimately shocked that there haven't been uprisings.
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Jan 29 2021 07:55am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 28 2021 07:34pm)
I reject the disingenuous framing of Democrat partisan tactics as "holding him accountable". Of course Trump is the big baddie here, but this doesnt make the Dems any less shitty.


Like I said previously, there is zero chance that Trump ever wins a general election again after the Capitol riots. I also consider it exceedingly unlikely that he would even win the GOP nomination in 2024 if he tried.

He has left office in disgrace, with bad approval ratings and a mediocre track record in terms of how his party is doing with him at the top of the ticket. (This is something that looked a lot more favorable for Trump back on election night, when everyone still assumed that the GOP would hold the GA seats and thus the Senate.) Why would the party nominate him again?

And that's not even taking into account the fact that being banned from twitter robs him of his most potent instrument of power. And that he'd be 77 years old, whereas he already looked spent and visibly slowed down over the past 4 years. And that he will be entangled in endless lawsuits and litigation now that his immunity has ended. The attorneys from the SDNY have been waiting for this moment for 4 years, they're gonna have a field day with him.

If you guys looked at it with a cool head, you would see that there's no chance for him to become president again.


What partisan tactics? Mitch is the one who delayed the trial. If Republicans got on board he could've already been removed and disqualified. That would be a unifying move.

The question of whether he could win again is somewhat irrelevant to the question of whether to impeach/convict/disqualify. The framers put impeachment into the Constitution for a reason... so Trump should be held accountable by Congress, plain and simple. If his actions don't warrant using impeachment, then it's essentially a useless mechanism in the Constitution.

That said, it's possible though unlikely he could win the general election. It's highly likely he would win the 2024 primary if he ran. What don't you understand about the grasp he has on the party? They are still defending the guy even after the hell he's put the country through his last days in office. A couple years from now his voters will barely remember the Capitol insurrection.

So why are you so willing to crater the GOP's chance to move forward? They could easily pick a more populist candidate in 2024... choosing Trump would either result in 4 more years of Biden/Harris or 4 more years of an even more unhinged and chaotic Trump presidency.
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Jan 29 2021 08:06am
What extenze is saying is the only way Trump can actually be impeached is if the Democrats never, ever wanted it from the get go. It does not matter in the slightest that Trump committed impeachable offenses because, as a rich, white, male, Trump is extremely susceptible to something called "haters". Since Trump had "haters" that belonged to the opposite political party it stands to reason that the motivation for prosecution is due to party and not actual crimes.

I'm not going to get into how fucking stupid that is and how, honestly, anyone that pushes that bullshit ought to be fuckin' shot.
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Jan 29 2021 08:39am
Quote (MizzouFTW @ Jan 29 2021 03:06pm)
What extenze is saying is the only way Trump can actually be impeached is if the Democrats never, ever wanted it from the get go. It does not matter in the slightest that Trump committed impeachable offenses because, as a rich, white, male, Trump is extremely susceptible to something called "haters". Since Trump had "haters" that belonged to the opposite political party it stands to reason that the motivation for prosecution is due to party and not actual crimes.

I'm not going to get into how fucking stupid that is and how, honestly, anyone that pushes that bullshit ought to be fuckin' shot.


By that logic, Republicans should only be allowed to vote against impeachment if they can write a 4 page paper on their argumentation, without referring to party a single time.

I do think politics should work like that for certain procedures. If both parties were mandated to justify their vote in a factual way, the move for impeachment would win by a landslide.
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Jan 29 2021 08:53am
Quote (KrWWW @ 29 Jan 2021 08:37)
no one likes what happened at Capitol hill, they just don't feel like Trump should be the scapegoat for it after all the riots during summer


and the people that liked and encouraged the riots are pretending to be aghast at the attempted occupation of the capitol. funny how that works.
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