oh its a china thing now, cool.

at least its not about Burisma now, i remember hewn i asked u for a link from Burisma to Biden earlier in the thread and got a paragraph not containing the word Burisma. whew, glad that is over with then.

https://www.scribd.com/document/480001587/Email-from-Robert-Biden-to-Devon-Archer#from_embed
ctrl+f "burisma"

Giuliani as player in any story makes it stupid AF.
amazing, being a lying troll has consequences.


This post was edited by theCrossbones on Oct 19 2020 08:11am

The Biden family resides primarily in Delaware, and the kids fly in and out regularly to visit. Joe Biden's home was 1209 Barley Mill Rd, Wilmington, DE 19807
The Mac Shop in Wilmington, where this laptop was dropped off, is at 21 Trolley Square, Wilmington, DE 19806
They are located 4 miles apart, closer to Joe Biden's house than my local mcdonalds is to me.

I could go through and debunk the rest of that wall of text but that would be laborious and pointless, I'd just like to point out how the 'deboonkers' are fucking morons and it would take 10 seconds on Google Maps to verify something this trivial, and yet the heavily retweeted deboonker you cited leads with that

Also so much of that is just plainly illogical.
The computer repair shop guy, knowing he has high profile political dirt in his possession about someone in a major news story, takes the "totally normal step" of copying the contents of a drive that was just subpoenaed from him by the FBI? No fucking shit. Do people who type up this bullshit even point one ounce of thought into their walls of text?

This post was edited by Goomshill on Oct 19 2020 08:15am

if those are the two signatures in question, then the bottom one looks like a mediocre attempt at forging the top one. while it overall follows the same pattern, which is easy to forge, the lines are not smooth, wheres the top one flows naturally.

so was Hunter put on a board despite having zero qualifications or value to Burisma? or was he put there to mastermind a sales boost to the UK?

maybe im missing something here. clearly there must be some election swaying corruption in all of this, otherwise it would be silly to put all your eggs into this basket for weeks on end.

this is just a Benghazi 2.0, but even floppier. not gonna change shit and mostly fizzle.

the TLDR postcard version is that Hunter Biden & Co were looting wealth from Ukraine after overthrowing the government and subjugating the oligarchy, while being bribed for political influence by the Chinese businessmen and communist party elite.

Burisma had no need for hooks in the US government or international protection when it was being run by Russian-aligned oligarchs. Then the elected government got toppled in a coup and replaced with US/EU-aligned populists who ordered the arrest of the Russian-aligned oligarchs and made them flee the country while seizing control of their business (its quite a bit more complicated and messy, as Zlochevsky tried to straddle the east-west divide and appease the US and return, while domestic politics muddied up who aligned with what side, and his daughter was his surrogate).
But its not a coincidence that shortly after Euromaidan, while Zlochevsky was in exile, the board of Burisma Group was expanded to include Hunter Biden, Devon Archer, Joseph Cofer Black (a CIA head and Blackwater merc) and Aleksander Kwaśniewski, former president of Poland.

I don't think there's any world where a Russia-aligned Burisma would have gone out and paid millions to some completely unqualified cokehead son of a US vice president just to get some influence. Why would they? They'd get nothing out of that. But once Zlochevsky had his estate raided and company seized and was in exile, gee, he suddenly was willing to butter up the occupiers.

These are complicated geopolitical maneuvers, backroom deals, corrupt enterprises and dark money being routed through opaque shell corporations. We still know only bits and pieces of who was doing what and why. Even the loyalties and political alignments are often murky. But the gist of it is pretty obvious, the Euromaidan coup saw Russian interest in Ukraine overthrown and replaced by Western interests, and Russia retaliated by both supporting Crimean independence and stepping up their support for Assad in the Syrian war to hoist a wave of refugees into the EU. And boy did Obama fuck that one up


My ironic gripe out of all of this is that supposedly progressive, enlightened liberals turn into complete foaming at the mouth jingoists blind to the sins of America when it comes to Ukraine, and we wind up with patriotic hawks with a hard-on for interventionalism like Eric Ciaramella. Maybe if Ukrainians were black lmao

This post was edited by Goomshill on Oct 19 2020 08:30am

good.

fuck russia.

when it broke in the cold war we should have broken it into 20 more pieces.

boy i thought this had no teeth before, now im supposed to cry because ruskies aren't in charge anymore?

Well I'd say more the part where this has completely backfired in a predictable manner and fucked us geopolitically- as well as Ukraine.
It was never in either of our interests to pursue NATO expansion in Russia's backyard where they had a vested interest and willingness to act, and we didn't.

Much like the rest of the Obama foreign policy, it was a grand calculated gambit that flopped miserably. We got outplayed by Russia and heightened a counterproductive strife that pitted two countries against each other when we should be working together against China. But that's 2012 Obama talk, not 2014 Obama talk.


also, I haven't even gotten into how Nordstream 2 is all about this and the geopolitics of it
I think I'm beating a dead horse tho

This post was edited by Goomshill on Oct 19 2020 08:35am