Where are you getting this wonky interpretation of "based on race" nonsense from?
Do you not understand what nature vs nurture means in this context?

If there exists a stratification of intelligence among racial demographics, then there are differences in racial intelligence demographics. That's tautological.
What explains that racial difference is the causation. It could be nature, it could be nurture, in whatever degree.
You don't have to presume that there is a natural causation like genetics to accept that there are different outcomes.

As long as Joni Ernst loses

I’m fine with gop holding the senate

scumbag hypocrite clown traitor


This post was edited by Bazi on Sep 30 2020 02:08pm

despite their cute little disclaimer, the authors of the bell curve (unsurprisingly a favourite of the fart right cult) are disingenuously and deceptively trying to make exactly those points though, quoting highly flawed studies and using ridiculously faulty 'logic' to do so.
anyone who is genuinely interested in a deeper analysis of the book could watch this video, or simply check the material and arguments made themselves:



i always have to laugh when one of you quotes that little disclaimer. it's such a perfect illustration of how the 'intellectual' right makes their 'arguments'... it's the whole "well this totally wasn't a muslim ban, even though trump repeatedly and openly announced that's what he wanted, it's merely a ban of some problematic countries" *wink, wink, nudge, nudge* as long as we don't say the word, don't make the claim outright, it can't be a piece of poorly reasoned, pseudo-scientific racist hackery, right?"

Trump made payments in 16 and 17 "on account" but when he calculated his actual tax liability his accountants got it down to $750 for each year. He has left the $5m on account to cover future tax liabilities - but his actual tax paid is $750
(thanks to Paul H. btw)

his actual tax paid is $750
his actual tax paid is $750
his actual tax paid is $750


capiche pablo ?

/nb the real boner being the incoming debt due.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Sep 30 2020 02:15pm

So you think that him saying that white supremacists should be "condemned totally " is him playing to white supremacists...?

Cool story, bro. Stop trying to backpedal and admit that the quote is taken out of context by liberals and does not portray him as being racist, as they claim.

I literally went out of my way to give you the full context.

You're just a dishonest actor. I'll never understamd your kind, who will tell bold face lies about my position to be own face and lie about how I am conducting myself in this exact conversation.

yeah darn those Obama/Biden era tax laws, they must have allowed this to happen

of course what is important to govt leeches like yourself is $750 line and not the $5.2M in cash the government received. how benevolent of President Trump to make estimated payments of $5.2M and then not requesting a refund which almost every other American would do, instead letting the government keep it and use it

Idk why ppl argue with ppl like thortard and saucidiot


In b4 i get snipad

Whatevs, it's just semantic now.

I'll just leave you with some more things about The Bell Curve so you never bring it up again.

In The Bell Curve they go out of their way to not include socioeconomic factors because they assume socioeconomic factors are a product of intelligence. Note that this is what statistical analysis is actually supposed to predict. Instead they include..... race, and basically only race while actively not controlling for any other factors. Later authors took their data set, controlled for very basic things like what school and family income, and basically eliminated the heredity factor. This isn't just a mistake, they anticipate people would criticize them for not including these incredibly basic things and just say it would be too complicated.

The Bell Curve makes policy recommendations that only make sense if you assume intelligence is highly genetically heritable, like making recommendations to reduce breeding based on which groups are intelligent. They make recommendations to get rid of letting people into universities based on affirmative action because it's not based on academics, but make no recommendations in regards to legacy admission or sports performance. They note that environmental things like Head Start that improve intelligence in kids life slowly go away after they stop the program and recommend we stop doing it. This only makes sense if you assume environment has no effect, because if you don't it means you should expand these programs further into life. There's more, but their policy positions only make sense if you assume intelligence is dependent on genetics, and in many cases also follows racial lines.

This is my favorite part
The Bell Curve also heavily cites journals run and funded by a literal eugenicists. It was literally founded by Nazis and remains in favor of eugenics and to this day funds white supremacist "research". The Bell Curve tries to front end this by simply claiming "they're not the same as their founding" when they explicitly are to this day.


You've basically fallen into a trap of "well they said not X, so they can't be X" even though all their arguments and policy recommendations and how they conducted their research says X. You're doing the same thing as when you defend the literal Nazi rally, by saying "well they didn't write 'white supremacy' on their protest permit".

Ohhh the poor little Donald, will you drop a tear ?