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Jan 7 2020 10:42pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 7 Jan 2020 23:29)
Initial reports are one of two conflicting stories
"Mechanical issues" (?)
or
"Al Hadath reports Iranian air defenses shot down their own commercial jet"

was it the same plane model boeing basically recalled? cuz if not uhh, option 1 is much more unlikely
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Jan 7 2020 10:47pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 8 Jan 2020 17:29)
Initial reports are one of two conflicting stories
"Mechanical issues" (?)
or
"Al Hadath reports Iranian air defenses shot down their own commercial jet"


both are true

mechanical issues due to missile
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Jan 7 2020 11:04pm
reports from red crescent saying no survivors
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1214769563956441089
170+ dead

https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1214774613466664961
definitely an 'exploded on impact' or 'disintegrated in midair'

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jan 7 2020 11:09pm
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Jan 8 2020 12:14am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 7 2020 09:04pm)
reports from red crescent saying no survivors
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1214769563956441089
170+ dead

https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1214774613466664961
definitely an 'exploded on impact' or 'disintegrated in midair'


I wonder if some of the Iranians, out of anger from what's happening in their country recently, sabotaged the aircraft? This is pretty bad.

But why Ukraine, tho? Were there any Americans on the plane?

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Jan 8 2020 01:07am
Diversion because of impeachment, now hundreds of deads, playing war/conflict card, let's see if this will work like bush?
I think he will fail, especially with 80% of Americans who do not want war with Iran. His mess could even provoke his own fall.
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Jan 8 2020 01:10am
has it been confirmed that Iran grounded all airplanes in their air space and the plane left shortly after?
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Jan 8 2020 03:08am
Quote (ofthevoid @ 8 Jan 2020 02:43)
This is me just thinking out loud without a shred of proof but imagine this scenario.

Neither side wants war. Neither side wants to appear weak or yielding. Is it too much of a reach to think that some compromise can be reached through back channels, so the situation deescalates?

The US lets Iran bomb some predetermined base while the Iranians can spam footage of this 'victory' both sides can frame what they did as a victory, lines in the sands are drawn and we go back to a sort of frozen conflict? They tested each other's boundaries and now both sides know.

Honestly if i was Potus or the CIA chief that's something i'd be willing to negotiate.


under a halfway sane administration i think this would be a somewhat realistic option. trump, however, defied the adults in the room multiple times by unilaterally breaking the iran deal, and also by choosing the most extreme option and assassinating soleimani. he clearly does not believe in diplomacy or deals, he wants to appear 'strong' and force iran into sumbission.

our best hope is that iranian leadership is aware of that, chose some something that would look 'good' on their propaganda channels but not really hurt the US, pretend they avenged the loss of their most important general, and save face that way without creating a reason to further escalate.
how likely that is, however, i don't know. they aren't exactly perfectly rational actors either, even though their behaviour regarding the nuclear deal illustrated that they are not exclusively driven by religious fanaticism, as some on the right would have us believe...
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Jan 8 2020 03:10am
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-crash-engine-idUSKBN1Z70W5

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KIEV (Reuters) - Engine failure caused the crash of a Ukrainian airliner in Iran, rather than a missile attack or act of terrorism, the Ukrainian embassy to Iran said on Wednesday, citing preliminary information.
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Jan 8 2020 04:07am
Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Jan 8 2020 04:10am)



They found that out in less than 24h?
I call it bullshit
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Quote (Subban2 @ 8 Jan 2020 11:07)
They found that out in less than 24h?
I call it bullshit


do you not know what 'preliminary' means?
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