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Apr 9 2025 05:43pm
Yeah i agree. Him and his team probably expected as stocks get whacked as there is growing uncertainty about trade and earnings, you would see outflow from stock into UST's. That's typically what happens in risk-off scenarios the 'flight to safety'. Bonds caught a bid somewhat and 10yr dropped to ~3.9% only to do a 180 and go back up to 4.4%, a huge sell off. I still don't know if that was caused by China/others selling US bonds or just general market uncertainty and everyone going into cash as a safeguard. Between business leaders probably freaking out, all the banks/analysts guiding down S&P targets, bonds selling off, he probably got talked into relaxing the tariffs.

At the end of the day, we still have 10% tariffs across the board and 125% with China. If those stick, that alone is still bringing in hundreds of billions in tariff revenue. We bring in ~3.1trillion annually, 10% of that is 300 billion, 125% on Chinese imports of ~460BN would also add a significant amount. I actually think when this is all said and done, we will still have some tariffs that remain, and we will actually bring in some revenue from that but not the 22% blended tariff rate that was initially propose, most likely be around 10% range.


I expect a global 10% tariff to remain in place, at least until the next time Democrats get into the WH. And to be honest, maintaining at least some incentive to produce domestically and not offshore over marginal cost advantages is rational policy if you ask me.



Quick summary of events:

Yesterday, a fake tweet saying that trump was gona pause the tariffs for 90 days causes a 2.3 trillion dollar pump.
20 minutes later the WH confirmed that it was fake news and the markst dumps by the same amount.

Early this morning, Trump tweets that NOW is a great time to buy
3 hours later he issues a 90 day pause on the tariffs

All the goys who listened to him went to the moon
Liberals got caught holding bags
Euros seething
China isolated

Art of the deal

The much more plausible explanation is that there were growing concerns within the administration and a pause was already discussed internally yesterday, which leaked out as a rumor. Trump, furious at the leak and the idea that he might cave, ordered a prompt denial. Then, the pressure mounted even higher today and he ultimately gave in.

Economically, this episode might turn out fine when the dust has settled, but Trump's reputation and credibility took a huge hit because of it. That's not what someone who's playing 4d chess would do, particularly not when his future policies and success hinge on his adversaries viewing him as strong and capable.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 9 2025 05:44pm
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Apr 9 2025 05:44pm
I wonder how much his family made from this market manipulation.


Easy insider trading gains
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Apr 9 2025 05:47pm
Easy insider trading gains


Rule #1 of insider trading: publicly telegraph your "market manipulation" to your millions of social media followers hours before it takes effect.
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Apr 9 2025 06:38pm
Rule #1 of insider trading: publicly telegraph your "market manipulation" to your millions of social media followers hours before it takes effect.


I think the first rule is follow no rules as president because your exempt from ethics because your voter base will swallow any size load no matter what.

As president of the United States pump your shitcoin and own company stock on social media, something that would clearly have a congressman removed quite quickly.



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Apr 9 2025 06:50pm
I think the first rule is follow no rules as president because your exempt from ethics because your voter base will swallow any size load no matter what.

As president of the United States pump your shitcoin and own company stock on social media, something that would clearly have a congressman removed quite quickly.


As long as he’s owning the libs many are happy. The mark of a true president.
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I think the first rule is follow no rules as president because your exempt from ethics because your voter base will swallow any size load no matter what.

As president of the United States pump your shitcoin and own company stock on social media, something that would clearly have a congressman removed quite quickly.


President may be exempted from insider trading. However others in the inner circle may be investigated.
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Apr 9 2025 07:17pm
Stocks go down = Trump is ruining everyone’s 401k!


Stocks go up = Trump and his family is insider trading for personal gain!

The only constant with some of you people is no matter what orange man bad
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Apr 9 2025 07:19pm
:bouncy:
Would foreign nations come to the trade negotiation table,
had trump not used tariffs as leverage?

I know some of you are not from the USA.
In my opinion, your country would not have made a call to the USA to change the trade deals.

e- keep in mind the tariffs are Paused, not stopped.
Trump can turn them back on, even on an individual basis.
That's a hell of a negotiating token.

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Apr 9 2025 07:33pm
:bouncy:
Would foreign nations come to the trade negotiation table,
had trump not used tariffs as leverage?

I know some of you are not from the USA.
In my opinion, your country would not have made a call to the USA to change the trade deals.

e- keep in mind the tariffs are Paused, not stopped.
Trump can turn them back on, even on an individual basis.
That's a hell of a negotiating token.


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