Quote (Bazi @ Oct 9 2023 09:07am)

Replace with whatever semantics make you more comfortable

Obviously the Jews had it bad 80-100 years ago. The world rightly protected them. But according to you because of what they experienced they have the moral right to do whatever they want and break whatever laws they want to now.

You’re being intentionally or unintentionally aloof but we will call it a day and agree to disagree about events like this occurring in vacuums

Quote (JCTM1988 @ Oct 9 2023 09:06am)

Yeah thats all just give money to countries in war so they can move to another country and so solve the problem, why stay in your own home when your neightbour wants you out, common sense.

Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 9 2023 04:09am)

Its the same root illogic of all modern progressive liberalism: A total denial of responsibility and agency.
Here's a simple question: What can a Palestinian do, that you consider him to be responsible for?

If Palestinians can go out and slaughter hundreds of unarmed civilians, take women as sex slaves, massacre children, pillage and raid unchecked- and its all somehow Israel's fault- then what can Palestinians possibly do that they bear culpability for? If a Palestinian shows up at your door, pulls your family from your home and lops their heads off one by one, is he just acting on societal pressures and a product of circumstance? If a Palestinian rapes a young child, or throws a gay person off a roof, or blows himself up in a suicide attack. At what point can an action reach a level of barbarity that he somehow manages to bear personal culpability in your eyes? Because according to modern liberal theory, there is nothing a favored minority can possibly do, no crime, no terrorism, no act of butchery or even genocide at which point that person is treated as if they had any agency in their own actions. Whether its black mobs looting a store or carjacking people, or aliens crossing a border en masse, or muslims committing terrorist attacks, or Palestinians committing one of the worst acts of butchery in a developed country since the Holocaust- its always just someone's chickens coming home to roost, someone else's fault. Of course, not for the groups they disfavor, not for white people or jews or asians.

So again I ask, what heinous action could a Palestinian person take at which point they bear any responsibility? Do they need to kidnap a bus full of children and start a blood orgy of child rape, murder and cannibalism? Or if they were Jewish kids, would that just be decolonization? Or if they were gay kids, would that just be inconvenient and swept under the rug

Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 9 2023 08:14am)

It's not semantics though lol. And you referring to it as semantics just shows your bias here.

"Yeah man it was a 100 years ago, its no big deal" meanwhile in reality since the 50s there have been half a dozen active wars brought on by their neighbors, for no other reason than being upset they are in the region.




It's an unique situation with no end in sight. Not ideal, but it's better than having an active war every 10 years or so.

Quote (sirthom @ Oct 9 2023 06:46am)

This is what I am talking about.
As if you don't know....

https://www.liberationnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/palestine-land-map.jpg

Quote (Bazi @ Oct 9 2023 09:31am)

Dude , read

It’s bad, terrible, atrocious what happened to Jews 80 years ago. It’s semantics, I don’t care what words you use to describe them. Insults, severe insults, tragedies. To me all of these are replaceable with each other so because I said insult instead of tragedy, the intent is not to trigger you.

If you are 100% incapable of criticizing ANY component of Israel’s involvement and how we got here after 80 years, then you’re blinders are on too tight

Quote (Landmine @ Oct 9 2023 08:38am)

Looks like a good start for reclaiming the land of their ancestors.

Quote (sirthom @ Oct 9 2023 07:43am)

The Palestinians disagree.

Quote (Landmine @ Oct 9 2023 10:52am)

Don’t care if they disagree it changes nothing. Hamas is a terrorist organization and Iran is a terrorist filled country. They should be turned to glass.

Quote (Landmine @ Oct 9 2023 08:52am)

Don’t care if they disagree it changes nothing. Hamas is a terrorist organization and Iran is a terrorist filled country. They should be turned to glass.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 9 2023 08:41am)

A plot to displace the Jews by the leading Muslim figure in Jerusalem with Hitler aren't just insults though, it's literal a plan. Again, that's not the only thing that has happened since then though, there have been many wars of aggression by their Arab neighbors for no other reason than displacing them, which is absolutely crucial to understand their aggressive posture, their human rights abuses, the apartheid-esque state and so on.

I mean I'll find some commonality and agree with you on certain things, one thing that Israel has done that aggravate the situation and is absolutely their fault is the continual building of settlements. So no it's not one sided, while the other is completely innocent, both side share culpability but fundamentally as long as all these Arabs refuse to accept Israel's right to exist with Jerusalem as their capital, this won't be settled.

Quote (Bazi @ Oct 8 2023 06:16pm)

PLO has an opportunity right now to denounce Hamas , and their people will be better for it as well. I’ve watched 2 of the Palestine to UK ambassador’s interviews so far. Well spoken guy and able to reiterate the important Palestinian points, but still dodged the question on Hamas and this attack in particular

I get there is social pressure to not denounce Hamas, but someone has to do it. If nobody ends up doing it and Hamas status quo persists, there will be nothing but more bloodshed .

Saudi backed PLO is much better long term for the people of Palestine than Iran backed hamas. Hamas is scum and trading lives and propaganda for $$$

Ismail Haniyeh head of Hamas has a net worth in 3+ billions.

That is more than every goddamn person in the Gaza combined. You think he’s running out of water?

This situation is very complex , and also simple at the same time. The only constant in history over the last several thousand years is humanity’s adeptness in exploitation