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Quote (fender @ 19 Nov 2020 22:19)
i was talking about your fellow GERMAN right wingers and neo-nazis murdering politicians / forming terrorist organisations and killing migrants / attacking synagogues, and generally discriminating and agitating against minorities - something you aren't a stranger to yourself. funny how you never commented on those. one would think that someone genuinely concerned with "social cohesion" would certainly have some pretty strong opinions about such things.


Nobody talked about those incidents here on PaRD. Just like there was almost no discussion about the recent series of muslim terror attacks across Europe. This is simply a very US-centric forum.

But if you want to hear it from me: the Halle synagogue shooter is an abhorrent piece of shit, and I dont agree with or condone his actions one bit. Killing random strangers in cold blood is a crime which cannot be justified by any means.
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Nobody talked about those incidents here on PaRD. Just like there was almost no discussion about the recent series of muslim terror attacks across Europe. This is simply a very US-centric forum.

But if you want to hear it from me: the Halle synagogue shooter is an abhorrent piece of shit, and I dont agree with or condone his actions one bit. Killing random strangers in cold blood is a crime which cannot be justified by any means.


that's my point: no one talked about it, and YOU certainly didn't think it was worth bringing up, but somehow woke tv is - and not just because that blurb made it sound absurd and forced (tbf, i have no clue how the actual movie is - but apparently neither do you), but you're trying to portray it as divisive and a threat to social cohesion. a claim for which you STILL haven't provided any actual evidence btw. until you do that, everyone should treat it as the conspiratorial right wing lunacy that it is. you went full ghot again.

also, don't think i didn't notice your silence regarding the lübcke murder, hanau, revolution chemnitz, NSU, freital, nordkreuz... and all the other right wing terrorism in germany in the last couple of years. i mean, your participation in bigoted and divisive anti-minority rhetoric and your support of the AfD, a party full of prominent racists, xenophobes, islamophobes, anti-semites, and neo nazis, from top to bottom, really speaks for itself...
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Quote (fender @ 19 Nov 2020 22:58)
that's my point: no one talked about it, and YOU certainly didn't think it was worth bringing up

... and neither did you, so why exactly is this fact supposed to be an indictment of me?


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but somehow woke tv is - and not just because that blurb made it sound absurd and forced (tbf, i have no clue how the actual movie is - but apparently neither do you), but you're trying to portray it as divisive and a threat to social cohesion. a claim for which you STILL haven't provided any actual evidence btw. until you do that, everyone should treat it as the conspiratorial right wing lunacy that it is. you went full ghot again.


You keep bringing up this straw man. Like I just explained on the previous page, I do not argue that this one movie is notably divisive, my point is that this movie is a prime example of a much larger trend which I, personally, consider destructive.

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also, don't think i didn't notice your silence regarding the lübcke murder, hanau, revolution chemnitz, NSU, freital, nordkreuz... and all the other right wing terrorism in germany in the last couple of years. i mean, your participation in bigoted and divisive anti-minority rhetoric and your support of the AfD, a party full of prominent racists, xenophobes, islamophobes, anti-semites, and neo nazis, from top to bottom, really speaks for itself...


Straw man this, whataboutism that, racist racist racist, blah blah blah. I'm out. :zzz:

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... and neither did you, so why exactly is this fact supposed to be an indictment of me?


well, i also didn't claim that woke tv was a threat to "social cohesion" either, so there's that. it's the combination of you completely ignoring actual and serious terrorist threats to our country coming from your fellow right wing bigots, while on the other hand pretending that trivial things, like some shitty movies going a bit overboard with their inclusion and diversity themes, are big issues, just because it fits into your political narrative. you can't possibly be dumb enough not to get that.
that said, pretty sure i addressed the lübcke murder somewhere in the EU thread, i think one of the dutchies brought it up initially, and i certainly commented on revolution chemnitz and the NSU here, but again, completely irrelevant since i'm not the one feigning concern about division while completely ignoring one side.

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You keep bringing up this straw man. Like I just explained on the previous page, I do not argue that this one movie is notably divisive, my point is that this movie is a prime example of a much larger trend which I, personally, consider destructive.


really poor attempt. i am well aware that you're not just talking about this one movie, that's why i specifically asked for additional examples in a previous post, repeatedly called it "woke tv" (not one woke movie) - and my request concerning a study or ANY kind of factual basis for your bs claim was also quite obviously not just about this specific film, so suggesting that is just ridiculous. your whole 'strawman' point doesn't even begin to make sense, it's a painfully transparent and dishonest dodge.

also, what you "personally" consider "destructive" is irrelevant. facts don't care about your feelings. you made a strong claim about division and social cohesion, so you should at least TRY to prove it. obviously you can't, since it's just conspiratorial right wing lunacy - hence the half-assed backpedal. nice one, tipper ghot.

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Straw man this, whataboutism that, racist racist racist, blah blah blah. I'm out.


the pearl clutching is real. reminds me of this one:


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... and neither did you, so why exactly is this fact supposed to be an indictment of me?




You keep bringing up this straw man. Like I just explained on the previous page, I do not argue that this one movie is notably divisive, my point is that this movie is a prime example of a much larger trend which I, personally, consider destructive.



Straw man this, whataboutism that, racist racist racist, blah blah blah. I'm out. :zzz:

Accurate and good points.

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Accurate and good points.


just because you agree with them doesn't make his feelings "accurate". "good" is just your opinion, to which you are obviously entitled, but "accurate" would require some actual evidence.
the only difference is that now there's TWO people who "personally" consider it "destructive", "divisive", and a threat to "social cohesion", and neither can provide ANY facts to support that conspiracy.
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Quote (cambovenzi @ 19 Nov 2020 20:39)
Accurate and good points.



notice how in his response (fender aka heinrich) he posted a video about a documentary about his ancestors in the reich lmao!!!

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What's your problem with restrictions ?

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