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Aug 28 2019 05:27am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Aug 28 2019 07:15am)
Maybe he's trying to force the Hard Brexit process to obtain "emergency" concessions from Europe. Basically all this is a bluff.





...or he's just fed up with all the wishy-washy BS concerning brexit.
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Aug 28 2019 06:08am
Quote (dro94 @ Aug 28 2019 12:36pm)
Unbelievable. He can’t really think he’s going to get away with this. It’s the UK, not some despot regime. Hell is gonna break loose now


Surely Lizzie is going to slam the hammer down on him. Even many Tories are outraged at the suggestion.
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Surely Lizzie is going to slam the hammer down on him. Even many Tories are outraged at the suggestion.


The prevailing consensus is that she won't. Her track record is extremely non-interventionist.
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Aug 28 2019 08:01am
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The prevailing consensus is that she won't. Her track record is extremely non-interventionist.


As it should be. She's a figurehead, not a dictator.
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Aug 28 2019 09:27am


Queen allows British PM Johnson to suspend parliament before Brexit

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-parliament-balmoral/queen-allows-british-pm-johnson-to-suspend-parliament-before-brexit-idUSKCN1VI0TJ

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In his boldest move yet to take the country out of the European Union with or without a divorce deal, Johnson set Oct. 14 for the Queen’s Speech - the formal state opening of a new session of parliament that is proceeded by a suspension of the House of Commons.

The queen agreed to the date, effectively shutting parliament from mid-September for around a month.




Good job by the Queen.
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Aug 28 2019 09:30am
Quote (dro94 @ Aug 28 2019 03:39pm)
The prevailing consensus is that she won't. Her track record is extremely non-interventionist.


Welp, you were right.

Is there any recourse for Parliament to undo this?

It'd be a travesty if there were only weeks left to try and stop the no-deal.
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Aug 28 2019 09:54am
The Queen could have abdicated, have King Charles inaugurated, and published op-eds in all big newspapers the next day detailing her "personal" opinion on the Brexit situation as a "private citizen". ;)

But yeah, at the end of the day, it was not the Queen's job to interfere here. The Commons had all the time in the world to find a consensus on what they want. If I remember correctly, they debated 7 or 12 or so different compromise proposals, and rejected each and every one of them.

Furthermore, the elections to the European Parliament had shown that round about 40% of the British population is still in strong support of Brexit, so an intervention deus regal ex machina stopping it would have divided the country even more, and undermined the acceptance of the British monarchy.
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Aug 28 2019 12:11pm
Quote (balrog66 @ Aug 28 2019 04:30pm)
Welp, you were right.

Is there any recourse for Parliament to undo this?

It'd be a travesty if there were only weeks left to try and stop the no-deal.


A vote of no confidence in the government should be able to undo it.

We're watching the biggest peacetime self-own in history right before our eyes...certainly the worst I've seen in my 25 years.
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The Queen could have abdicated, have King Charles inaugurated, and published op-eds in all big newspapers the next day detailing her "personal" opinion on the Brexit situation as a "private citizen". ;)

But yeah, at the end of the day, it was not the Queen's job to interfere here. The Commons had all the time in the world to find a consensus on what they want. If I remember correctly, they debated 7 or 12 or so different compromise proposals, and rejected each and every one of them.

Furthermore, the elections to the European Parliament had shown that round about 40% of the British population is still in strong support of Brexit, so an intervention deus regal ex machina stopping it would have divided the country even more, and undermined the acceptance of the British monarchy.


Looking at the outrage from PM's and citizens online and in media, it's not like this course of action by BoJo hasn't divided the country more...

Brexit is just inherently divisive.
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Aug 28 2019 12:48pm
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A vote of no confidence in the government should be able to undo it.

We're watching the biggest peacetime self-own in history right before our eyes...certainly the worst I've seen in my 25 years.


The problem is that a vote of no confidence will necessarily lead to a general election if the current parliament cant settle on a new PM. And its impossible for a general eelection to be pulled off in time to stop the no deal brexit.
Now, the LibDems and Remainers among the Tories would perhaps be willing to elect a different Labour leader PM, but certainly not Corbyn.

So, now that the Queen didnt block BoJo from suspending the parliament, the only feasible way to stop the no deal brexit that I can see is if Labour and the Remainer Tories join with the LibDems in a vote of no confidence and then elect a compromise candidate from the LibDems as the transitional PM.
But since the big majority of the tory base and significant chunks of Labour's base are pro-Brexit, such a move would still require a substantial amount of MPs to more or less sacrifice their political careers for this.

I dont see it happening.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 28 2019 12:49pm
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