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Nov 2 2023 04:43pm
Quote (Crunkt @ 3 Nov 2023 00:40)
Nope

I also don't support Thinking that just cuz a 4000 year old book says so that its okay to murder countless innocent civilians.

You know according to said book as soon as Israel completes its take over then all the jews go back to Israel and ascend into heaven

People of Israel have been raised and taught that Gaza is against god and in humane. To these people its completely okay because their enemy isn't even thought of as a human. Yes it goes both ways and thats sick. What is actually also sickening is the MSM being so straight faced when they talk about what is happening as if this is solely Israel defending herself and not at all in line with their ultimate plan as written in the book and propagandized for several generations which is to actually eliminate all of the Muslims from the holy land.

Hamas is bad and terrorist are bad so for sure they are idiots thrid world country smelly asshole idiots that have no fucking idea what they are up against so ya they are fucking stupid.

But when Israel soldiers and its people keep saying the quiet part out loud and you have children in the streets singing songs about people being murdered and being forced out of their homes its hard to pick a side and rather its easier to just choose a third side which is the side that is that guy smoking the bong in the meme with the chicks fighting and calling it all fucking stupid and laughing while I point out all the hypocrisy is that okay with you?

Also:
https://i.imgur.com/J1nZ8nK.png


This is complete bs, I dont know who taught you this but this complete lie.

And nothing can justify what Hamas has done
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Nov 2 2023 04:45pm
Quote (El1te @ Nov 2 2023 03:41pm)
"No, I don't, but here's why Hamas is right and justified"

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Literally no one is siding with Hamas. People are just pointing out that Israel is no angel and you can't handle this.
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Nov 2 2023 04:45pm
Quote (JessiWan @ 3 Nov 2023 00:42)
So you think people should act like gangs and try to take other people's property by force until they can't anymore.

I don't know about you but this really is no different than what an animal does. I hope that some of us are Homo Sapiens and we go by what is right, not who has might.


There a difference between a farmer that sits under a country and a country.
But lets say for the argument sake this is it.

Tomorrow morning Israel government and army vanish what will happened to the jews?
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Nov 2 2023 04:46pm
Quote (JessiWan @ 3 Nov 2023 00:45)
Literally no one is siding with Hamas. People are just pointing out that Israel is no angel and you can't handle this.


Israel is no angel but it never ever target civilians.

And I want you to understand that a left wing like me who supported oslo accords, and wanted to co exist doesnt want it anymore.
On october 7th something broke and its irreverisble
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Nov 2 2023 04:47pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Nov 2 2023 03:42pm)
So you think people should act like gangs and try to take other people's property by force until they can't anymore.

I don't know about you but this really is no different than what an animal does. I hope that some of us are Homo Sapiens and we go by what is right, not who has might.


I never made any statements on how people should act - merely the physical reality of territorial acquisition.

How people *should* act is that people should invade and claim territory when it is morally right to do so - which was the case in European colonization of the Americas. We liberated the entire contiguous continent from barbarian savagery (read about the brutal pre-civilization societies in the Americas)
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Nov 2 2023 04:47pm
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There a difference between a farmer that sits under a country and a country.
But lets say for the argument sake this is it.

Tomorrow morning Israel government and army vanish what will happened to the jews?


I know that Jews want to survive and thrive and I don't blame them for that. But they need to do that in a way that does not harm another people's interests. They shouldn't move into an area that already has people living in it just because they need living spaces.
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Nov 2 2023 04:48pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Nov 2 2023 03:45pm)
Literally no one is siding with Hamas. People are just pointing out that Israel is no angel and you can't handle this.


You know that they are siding with Hamas.

You also know that you are an anti-semite and hate Jewish people - you should just be honest and re-iterate that here so there's no confusion. I don't hold it against you and always wish to engage in civil conservation but people should just be honest.
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Nov 2 2023 04:48pm
Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 2 2023 10:36pm)
And what if the population support them?


Same thing that happened in the north of Ireland, you employ long term plans to change their attitude. while you can say "its too late to do that now" or whatever, my counter argument is two-fold:

1. its not too late
2. the Israeli government have had decades to do this. instead they have continued to employ policies that have alienated the Palestinians which has not gone down well with anyone in the world (apart from Israel and the US).

Israel is now devoted to wiping out the Palestinians. it is what it is. They are going to do what they want. There is no indication that Israel is going to pull back from their current course, which more and more, is likely to result in a regional war involving other countries.

note: when I say Israel, I am referring to the Political leadership.

His response was:

Irish are not Arabs
Christians are not Muslims

my response to that is:

We were seen by england as subhuman and inferior, just as the ppl of Gaza are seen as inferior and subhuman. how else can you have this disproportionate evaluation of the value of a life.

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Nov 2 2023 04:50pm
Quote (El1te @ Nov 2 2023 03:47pm)
I never made any statements on how people should act - merely the physical reality of territorial acquisition.

How people *should* act is that people should invade and claim territory when it is morally right to do so - which was the case in European colonization of the Americas. We liberated the entire contiguous continent from barbarian savagery (read about the brutal pre-civilization societies in the Americas)


According to your logic, the entire West should unite and invade the rest of the entire world. Hey, it is the morally right thing to do, right?

At this point I think you are just trolling.
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Nov 2 2023 04:51pm
Quote (ferdia @ 3 Nov 2023 00:48)
Same thing that happened in the north of Ireland, you employ long term plans to change their attitude. while you can say "its too late to do that now" or whatever, my counter argument is two-fold:

1. its not too late
2. the Israeli government have had decades to do this. instead they have continued to employ policies that have alienated the Palestinians which has not gone down well with anyone in the world (apart from Israel and the US).

Israel is now devoted to wiping out the Palestinians. it is what it is. They are going to do what they want. There is no indication that Israel is going to pull back from their current course, which more and more, is likely to result in a regional war involving other countries.

note: when I say Israel, I am referring to the Political leadership.


After october 7th it simply too late.
And like I said in the ukraine post
Irish are not Arabs
Christians are Muslims.
This is not even a conflict about land, its a religion war.
You and other simply fail or do not want to realize it.
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