Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 10 2020 08:35pm)

I feel I'm just a bit more mature. I've been cynical about politics from the get go. We have to keep the train going. One side needs time. Give them time, as Biden, to his credit, is doing.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 10 2020 08:39pm)

Why do you hate the rule of law so much?

If Trump's team is not able to provide a relevant starting point for their court cases, the judges will dismiss their lawsuits in record time and this whole (sad) saga will with yet another humiliation of Trump.
However, if they are able to come up with evidence which serves as probable cause, then they are entitled to have their case heard, and the courts will decide according to the law, just like it's supposed to be.

The way the race stands right now, Trump would need 3 or 4 high profile wins in these lawsuits to flip this election. Too many fires to put out, not gonna happen; Biden will be the next president. It's nonetheless important for American democracy going forward that these cases are allowed to be settled.

Quote (IceMage @ Nov 10 2020 08:40pm)

You can track the state by state poll numbers but are unaware of the obvious implications of a president refusing to concede an election lost.

Quote (IceMage @ 11 Nov 2020 02:40)

You can track the state by state poll numbers but are unaware of the obvious implications of a president refusing to concede an election lost.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 10 2020 07:39pm)

Why do you hate the rule of law so much?

If Trump's team is not able to provide a relevant starting point for their court cases, the judges will dismiss their lawsuits in record time and this whole (sad) saga will end with yet another humiliation of Trump.
However, if they are able to come up with evidence which serves as probable cause, then they are entitled to have their case heard, and the courts will decide according to the law, just like it's supposed to be.

The way the race stands right now, Trump would need 3 or 4 high profile wins in these lawsuits to flip this election. Too many fires to put out, not gonna happen; Biden will be the next president. It's nonetheless important for American democracy going forward that these cases are allowed to be settled.

Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 10 2020 07:39pm)

This is a function of the Russiagate saga, which dominated Trump's term. Calling the President a Russian pawn, without evidence, has understandably created a sense of paranoia among the President's supporters.

We need to step back from the brink.

Quote (IceMage @ Nov 10 2020 08:39pm)

You're not more mature... you're more pliant.

I guess there's no point in arguing it further. It's just a disappointing confirmation in my low views of the right-wing that the only people standing up against ridiculousness are the ones who did it before Trump refused to concede the election.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 10 2020 08:44pm)

The election IS. NOT. LOST. until there are official, certified results. Once all of Trump's pending lawsuits are thrown out and he still refuses to concede, you have every right to blast him for it. But right now, there is neither a legal nor a moral obligation for Trump to concede.

Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 10 2020 08:49pm)

If McConnell were to come out tomorrow and say that Trump clearly lost, that there couldn't possibly be fraud, a large part of the electorate would see it as proof of a cover-up. That simply can't happen, which is why adults in the room (McConnell, Biden) are allowing the legal process to take place and make clear for the vast majority what the truth of the matter is.

If you've listened to any leftist over the past 4 years, the motive for fraud is not in question. We should allow our first-world, second to none legal system play this out.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 10 2020 07:44pm)

The election IS. NOT. LOST. until there are official, certified results. Once all of Trump's pending lawsuits are thrown out and he still refuses to concede, you have every right to blast him for it. But right now, there is neither a legal nor a moral obligation for Trump to concede.

Quote (IceMage @ Nov 10 2020 08:58pm)

We're not dealing with reality anymore... we're dealing with a nutty electorate not able to accept reality, an electorate encouraged to be that way from Trump, before and after the election. So Republicans must entertain the conspiratorial fantasies until they get struck down in the courts, which will just result in them believing the courts are part of the deep state?

People like yourself, so-called "serious" right-wingers, are left to accept the delegitimization of elections because the voters are deluded? Is this the ideological shift you welcomed Trump bringing?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 10 2020 05:26pm)

What are you talking about? Biden will win the decisive states in the EC by margins of 0.7% and less. This election is far more similar to 2016 than 2012 in every metric that matters. Decisive victory my ass.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 10 2020 05:39pm)

Why do you hate the rule of law so much?

If Trump's team is not able to provide a relevant starting point for their court cases, the judges will dismiss their lawsuits in record time and this whole (sad) saga will end with yet another humiliation of Trump.
However, if they are able to come up with evidence which serves as probable cause, then they are entitled to have their case heard, and the courts will decide according to the law, just like it's supposed to be.

The way the race stands right now, Trump would need 3 or 4 high profile wins in these lawsuits to flip this election. Too many fires to put out, not gonna happen; Biden will be the next president. It's nonetheless important for American democracy going forward that these cases are allowed to be settled.