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Apr 9 2021 02:04pm
Quote (thundercock @ 9 Apr 2021 13:01)
It worked in other countries, it just isn't politically viable.



I'd support that but it'd have a pretty minimal effect on gun deaths I think.


The United States of America Isn't like other countries. We have more firearms than people. Unless there is a mass hiring event at the ATF with the enticement of causing another Waco, I don't see it working.
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Apr 9 2021 02:39pm
Quote (thundercock @ 9 Apr 2021 20:57)
The gun issue is complex and there is no appetite to solve it politically. A handgun ban would go A LONG way to solving gun violence. That will never happen here and we all know it.

What would you propose?


i think the first step to solve america's gun problem is to make it illegal (punishable by death) to say, suggest, or even think "well, there's no solution that would solve all our gun issues immediately and entirely, so we might as well do nothing and oppose any suggestion that's not a magic fix".
second step is to dismantle the nra, lock up every lawmaker who still receives donations from them, and finally end their assault on gun violence related research. then put the scientists and uncorrupted lawmakers to work and implement policies to tackle the issue.
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Apr 9 2021 02:41pm
Quote (fender @ 9 Apr 2021 13:39)
i think the first step to solve america's gun problem is to make it illegal (punishable by death) to say, suggest, or even think "well, there's no solution that would solve all our gun issues immediately and entirely, so we might as well do nothing and oppose any suggestion that's not a magic fix".
second step is to dismantle the nra, lock up every lawmaker who still receives donations from them, and finally end their assault on gun violence related research. then put the scientists and uncorrupted lawmakers to work and implement policies to tackle the issue.


...in other words you do not have any solutions or ideas whatsoever. Too bad, thought you might have some insightful input.
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Apr 9 2021 02:48pm
Lol. Executive action to research expanding the Supreme Court.

I can just imagine the headlines and screeching if Trump tried something as brazenly unconstitutional as this instead i barely found it buried somewhere on Reuters home page.

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Apr 9 2021 02:53pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 9 2021 01:04pm)
Would it though? How many crimes have been averted due to a drawn weapon, or a weapon holstered at the side of the prospective victim?

While it's correct that the overwhelming majority of gun crime and indeed even mass shootings are carried out with handguns, it's never been demonstrated that removing their presence will reduce gun crime.

If anything, the highly restrictive laws of Chicago have shown us the complete opposite.

I'm also mildly curious on a reply from ^fender though. Typically foreign responses want to point to other nations and aren't much use. But if he can pull examples of ban effectiveness from within the US itself, the response could be interesting.


How could you commit a gun crime without a gun? In order for a gun ban to succeed, it would have to be nationwide. Gun restrictions in Chicago don't mean much when you can hop over the border to Indiana and buy a gun illegally there.

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i think the first step to solve america's gun problem is to make it illegal (punishable by death) to say, suggest, or even think "well, there's no solution that would solve all our gun issues immediately and entirely, so we might as well do nothing and oppose any suggestion that's not a magic fix".
second step is to dismantle the nra, lock up every lawmaker who still receives donations from them, and finally end their assault on gun violence related research. then put the scientists and uncorrupted lawmakers to work and implement policies to tackle the issue.


The NRA is dismantling itself quite well at the moment lol. But in all seriousness, which part of gun violence bothers you the most? Suicides? Domestic violence? Gang violence? Each of those requires a different solution coupled with some form of gun control. I'm all for reducing gun deaths by even 5% but I want to hear what you propose.
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Canada would like to have a word with you.


We don't have many deaths due to accidents.

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The United States of America Isn't like other countries. We have more firearms than people. Unless there is a mass hiring event at the ATF with the enticement of causing another Waco, I don't see it working.


Right, it would require much stricter law enforcement. It absolutely could be done but there's no political will to do it.
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Apr 9 2021 03:41pm
Does anyone have the numbers on which percentage of American gun violence or gun deaths are actually coming from gang crime/domestic violence/suicide/shooting sprees?

A handgun ban would not affect gang violence or suicides all that much at this point. Not when some 500m++ guns are already circulating in the country.
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Apr 9 2021 03:57pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 9 2021 01:48pm)
Lol. Executive action to research expanding the Supreme Court.

I can just imagine the headlines and screeching if Trump tried something as brazenly unconstitutional as this instead i barely found it buried somewhere on Reuters home page.


Trump living rent free in your head lol. Also, tell me how this is "brazenly unconstitutional."
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Apr 9 2021 04:02pm
Quote (thundercock @ Apr 9 2021 05:57pm)
Trump living rent free in your head lol. Also, tell me how this is "brazenly unconstitutional."


It's a pretty obvious precursor for one branch of the government, controlled by a specific party to infringe upon another. Democrats aren't happy conservatives have control of the supreme court therefore they're trying to change a precedent that has been around since the 1870's.

Surprised your synapsis firing couldn't reach this conclusion.

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Apr 9 2021 04:14pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 9 2021 05:02pm)
It's a pretty obvious precursor for one branch of the government, controlled by a specific party to infringe upon another. Democrats aren't happy conservatives have control of the supreme court therefore they're trying to change a precedent that has been around since the 1870's.

Surprised your synapsis firing couldn't reach this conclusion.


That's a fundamentally ignorant interpretation. The number of justices is not precedent nor is it based on precedent, and there is nothing unconstitutional in the slightest about changing the number of justices.
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Apr 9 2021 04:21pm
Quote (Calipso @ Apr 9 2021 04:04pm)
The United States of America Isn't like other countries. We have more firearms than people. Unless there is a mass hiring event at the ATF with the enticement of causing another Waco, I don't see it working.


Canada have tons of firearm too. You guys beat us in # for sure. Thing is, we usually chill until shit hit the fan.
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