UK doesn't give EU a chance to be nice because we all know how UK populists would act if UK has a "profitable" deal: "look ! EU was stealing us since the beginning ! We are victorious ! etc..."
The situation is so bad: EU has no other choice, and i'm sure dro94 understand it. Btw this is the kind of stuff provoking wars.

/nb: Hopefully(lol) Mr Corbyn is about to fix all this soon enough



This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Aug 21 2019 02:13pm

Meh, Corbyn has to bear significant blame for the gridlocked situation in which the UK finds itself right now. Had he embraced Remain since the beginning and campaigned for it forcefully, the UK would have had to have all the debates about the details of Brexit years ago.
Someone who's feeling lukewarm about the EU at best, and who's so radical that he's an effective boogeyman for many moderates and center-right voters, is the wrong choice for the role of opposition leader to a Tory government pursuing Brexit.

Corbyn's lack of support is one of the major reasons why the Remainer movement or movements calling for a 2nd referendum couldnt gain traction before it was too late.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 21 2019 02:27pm

Well it's not like we can take many more immigrants considering that we're already taking in a load of Venezuelans. The Ibearian Peninsula is the go to place in Europe for the whole Latinamerican region... a region that is always in turmoil in one place or another. We've always been the ones soaking up their migration during every crisis, and we've never complained about it.

Even taking that into account, Spain has never opposed the idea of taking in more refugees from other regions of the world... the stance has always been that such a matter should be handled by the EU as a whole, and that there should be fair and proportional quotas to distribute the migrants throughout all member states. If other countries don't want to find a fair and equitable solution, then we're sorry but we can't just take in massive amount of migrants considering we're already reserving tens of thousands of spots for Latinamericans and our employment rate is still at a whopping 14%.

As for why it's hard for an uneducated lower class Latinamerican woman to divorce, it mostly comes down to social factors. They come from countries and a social stratus were divorce carries a very negative stigma. There is a lot of pressure to put up with the situation; there's the fear that fellow expats will turn their back on them, they believe that the man they divorce will take their children away from them, that their families will disapprove and they'll become an embarrassment, the fear that their husbands (or some of his friends) will hurt or kill them, etc... plus economic factors like having to raise children as a single parent, with a huge financial struggle, and the fear of being alone and isolated as a woman. Also, as many of these women are very uneducated, the whole divorce process seems complicated to them... they have to face bureaucracy and a process that they might be completely alien to them, leading them to have false beliefs about its costs, duration, security and support the state would provide them with, etc.

The state throws a lot of money into campaigns to help immigrant women in these situations, but it's not easy to get through, and many refuse help out of fear and social beliefs.



I've read and heard much about Venezuela, from the media, from many expats and from other sources. Venezuela has been on the news here almost every day for the past 15 years, as we have very strong social ties with the country. Of course, the US policy has worsened Venezuela's situation... but it was a disaster regardless. Even the leaders of our alt-left party Podemos, which spent several years praising Chávez (even citing him as an inspiration for what they wanted to do in Spain) and claiming that Venezuelans were prosperous with no sort of food restrictions, now openly regret their words and admit that the policies implemented by the Venezuelan regime have been a disaster.

Chávez took steps that were very necessary to help Venezuela, like bringing free education and basic services to the poorest communities as well as reducing the excessive amount of oil exploitation by foreign companeis, but he over did his Socialism and took his populist antics seriously... there's a very famous video of him walking around the city, and he's asking the people to tell him where there are private businesses they want to see taken under public control, and so he goes around pointing towards random businesses shouting "exprópiese!" (expropriate) with his party thugs cheering; and the private owners were immediately told to abandon their business (in exchange for a ridiculous compensation). Rather than implementing Socialism in a moderate and well thought out way like Ecuador did, the Venezuelan regime ruined the economy, scared away all kind of foreign investment, and isolated the country from pretty much the rest of the world.

And that's not even mentioning the millions poured into monuments to glorify the figure of Chávez, and all the money his regime has looted and sent to Andorra and Switzerland. With Madruro things have gotten even worse... in all of his travels he is accompanied by a whole court of friends and family in expensive jet flights, and has bought several luxurious villas and mansions. His regime is the very definition of kleptocracy... he's basically the Teodoro Obiang of the Americas.

Ambiguity wasn't even a choice for him IMO, this or lose like what ? a quart of his voters ? More ?
Populism on poor people. THEY are the enemy, THEY are the source of our problems, don't watch here, watch THEM. It's all THEIR fault ! The "bureaucrats", the immigrants, the 350M£...

What this Mr Corbyn (who is literally Hitler btw ) can do in all this horrible mess ? I can't blame him too much, nor May.

The Brexit split was cutting through both the Tories and Labour. The Tories nonetheless stuck with Brexit, since that was the majority position of their rank and file. Similarly, Corbyn should have had the guts to stick with Remain, since that was the majority opinion among Labour voters.

The tldr is that Corbyn was putting his own fate above that of the country. His goal is to become PM and to implement the sweeping, socialist changes of the British society and economy that he has always dreamed of.
For this goal, he was satisfied with the neverending chaos and backstabbing that the Brexit issue was causing among the Tories, and he personally doesnt mind Brexit since EU regulations would just get in the way of his nationalization policies anyway.
An economically disastrous outcome of a hard brexit would also play into his hand, since this would cause the people to cry for more social security, more redistribution and an end to austerity.

Corbyn's gameplan is easy: let the Tories pull off Brexit to keep his own hands clean and to get rid of EU regulations, then hope that Brexit ends in a disaster, discreditting the Tories and allowing him to play the savior the suffering people will be looking for, ending up with him in Downing Str. 10 and free reign to implement all of his agenda.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 21 2019 03:44pm

You are casting the doubt on him to be some kind of dangerous authoritarian person, extreme-left and nationalism ?
I don't think that way, nearly all left to strong left (not extreme) parties in EU countries are... Pro-Euro. I will not demonizing him so easily.

Nah i think the simple answer is best one: Uk politics is atrocious, and the safe bet for him is to do like you were saying: "keep his own hands clean", avoiding as much as possible to divide his electorate.
Because he's ONE, while others (tories) have the advantage of not showing a single stance facing the brexit: First May: sacrified, then Johnson: probably sacrified too. So no one is directly take the blame for ever.

Imagine asking the Tories to take 1 strong stance facing Brexit, nope. Then i can't blame him so much.

I dont think he's a dangerous , super-authoritarian wannabe dictator like for example Erdogan. But I do think that he has above-average authoritarian instincts.

And yes, nearly all leftist parties in the EU are pro-EU and pro-Euro. Corbyn, and Labour under his leadership, is an exception. Corbyn isnt fiercely anti-EU, he's just an EU-sceptic who wouldnt mind Brexit because it would make it easier for him to implement nationalization policies.


I dont think that not having one face, or changing this face every 18 months, will keep the Tories safe if they pull off a hard brexit and if it turns into a disaster. In this scenario, they WILL face the wrath of the voters and get punished HARD.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 22 2019 02:51am

Yes, there's an insular problem, and i'm not sure their young generation is that much pro-euro or pro-union.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2017/05/12/even-britains-youngsters-have-a-cynical-view-of-the-eu
"cynical"
The fuck i hope they will ALL pay the price

So bitter

Tired of heartless brits honestly