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Quote (bogie160 @ Apr 8 2021 11:16pm)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/joe-manchin-filibuster-vote/2021/04/07/cdbd53c6-97da-11eb-a6d0-13d207aadb78_story.html

Manchin closes the door on the Filibuster, and expresses disapproval of reconciliation.


Quote (IceMage @ Apr 8 2021 11:19pm)
Manchin closes the door on governing.


To be clear... if Manchin refuses to change the filibuster, and also is resistant to reconciliation, he's basically saying he doesn't want to govern.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/joe-manchin-filibuster-vote/2021/04/07/cdbd53c6-97da-11eb-a6d0-13d207aadb78_story.html

Manchin closes the door on the Filibuster, and expresses disapproval of reconciliation.

boo-hoo. perhaps for their next trick the (D)s should go back to the Filibuster version that Biden’s senate buddy Senator Robert Byrd (D) wielded when he attempted to stop the legislation that became The Civil Rights Act of 1964
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/joe-manchin-filibuster-vote/2021/04/07/cdbd53c6-97da-11eb-a6d0-13d207aadb78_story.html

Manchin closes the door on the Filibuster, and expresses disapproval of reconciliation.


It sounds like he isn't saying he won't reform it, but is saying he isn't going to be changing where it can be done?

Not very clear. He already said he's in favor of the standing filibuster.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ 9 Apr 2021 06:04)
It sounds like he isn't saying he won't reform it, but is saying he isn't going to be changing where it can be done?

Not very clear. He already said he's in favor of the standing filibuster.


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I have said it before and will say it again to remove any shred of doubt: There is no circumstance in which I will vote to eliminate or weaken the filibuster.

Sounds pretty unambiguous to me. The filibuster would undeniably be weakened if it was changed to require standing/nonstop speaking.

I agree with your general sentiment though that Manchin did not completely shut the door on filibuster changes. He makes a very clear plea for good faith, bipartisan efforts at seeking compromise and passing legislation. If Republicans go too far with their fundamental obstructionism, if they drop even the pretense of being willing to negotiate, then Manchin could go back on his words and argue "red senators bad, left me no choice".

Anyway, this should end the debate around ending the filibuster and passing Democratic power grabs like HR1 or DC statehood before the midterms.
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Biden's ATF pick posing with the bodies of dead women and children ~ April 1993
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Biden's ATF pick posing with the bodies of dead women and children ~ April 1993



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Apr 9 2021 10:12am
That fucking cunt Joe Biden is now setting his sights on packing the Supreme Court. No one should be surprised.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1380536385958985736
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Quote (Santara @ Apr 9 2021 11:12am)
That fucking cunt Joe Biden is now setting his sights on packing the Supreme Court. No one should be surprised.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1380536385958985736


Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 9 2021 05:51am)
Sounds pretty unambiguous to me. The filibuster would undeniably be weakened if it was changed to require standing/nonstop speaking.

I agree with your general sentiment though that Manchin did not completely shut the door on filibuster changes. He makes a very clear plea for good faith, bipartisan efforts at seeking compromise and passing legislation. If Republicans go too far with their fundamental obstructionism, if they drop even the pretense of being willing to negotiate, then Manchin could go back on his words and argue "red senators bad, left me no choice".

Anyway, this should end the debate around ending the filibuster and passing Democratic power grabs like HR1 or DC statehood before the midterms.


He might be saying "weaken", like lowering it to 55 votes to break it, or limiting time. Making it a standing fillibuster wouldn't weaken it since it still retains all the same power to stop legislation, but it would make it harder to use. Same strength, more sacrifice.

We'll just have to see.
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Apr 9 2021 10:53am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 9 2021 11:14am)
He might be saying "weaken", like lowering it to 55 votes to break it, or limiting time. Making it a standing fillibuster wouldn't weaken it since it still retains all the same power to stop legislation, but it would make it harder to use. Same strength, more sacrifice.

We'll just have to see.


I didn't address the filibuster in my post.
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Apr 9 2021 10:55am
Quote (Santara @ Apr 9 2021 11:53am)
I didn't address the filibuster in my post.


Oh, I didn't mean to quote you lol
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