Quote (ThatAlex @ 6 Jun 2016 09:59)

Even if she holds onto California after Bernie has been making a late surge, do you really think it was ever supposed to get to this point? Back in April 2015, would you have thought a self-identified socialist from Vermont would have won 20 states over Hillary Clinton?

You think it is just winning in every way possible? No setbacks? Michigan, etc? Everything has been good with Hillary Clinton? No bad? Just winning, winning?

She's had the nomination wrapped up since before she announced and mathematically since March 15th but it's clear that a sizable percentage of Democratic voters support Sanders' progressive agenda and vision.

At this point with DNC higher-ups considering firing DNC and all the rhetoric you've seen coming out of their leadership it is clear that they are considering how to bring in the Bernie crowd to support HRC and will probably make amends to some of their platform at the convention to do so.

Quote (excellence @ 6 Jun 2016 09:02)

Michigan wasn't an upset

Quote (Beowulf @ 6 Jun 2016 09:11)

Too bad you can't win the Presidency with Michigan and excuses

Quote (ThatAlex @ Jun 6 2016 06:20am)

That's not what we're saying. HRC has already had the nomination wrapped up for a while. In reality, since before she even announced. Mathematically, since March 15th.

Try an argument that isn't out of scope? You can't win every HRC vs Bernie argument by saying she has more delegates, votes, or will win the nomination. Sometimes things other than the selection of the DNC nominee are being discussed. Most times, in fact. Because the nomination is already done.

Quote (Beowulf @ Jun 6 2016 09:30am)

Actually I'm pretty confident in my stance of winners not being required to cater to losers especially when the losers have run a negative campaign toward the end making unity more difficult and the loser's supporters are not reliable voters and they threaten to vote for Trump

I have no interest in "winning" an argument with hardcore Bernie or Trump supporters. There is no winning once you go down that rabbit hole. I simply give my opinions and observations which I believe to be accurate.

The democrats have decided that they don't want Sander's far left ideas especially with his nonsensical solutions to "corruption". Why should something that has been rejected this cycle be forced? Come back stronger next time.

Had he not got negative and shit on the DNC they probably would have been much more open to him.

Quote (timmayX @ Jun 6 2016 06:38am)

Reliable voters require a reliable party and a reliable candidate.

Quote (Beowulf @ Jun 6 2016 09:39am)

Still seducing Bernie Bros on behalf of the grand orange wizard? gl

Quote (timmayX @ Jun 6 2016 06:41am)

No. Didn't say trump was reliable to either base. But Hillary certainly isn't. Biden would have been the pick of you wanted reliable turnout.

Quote (Beowulf @ Jun 6 2016 09:43am)

Trump focused on the biased judge and hypothetical judges on friday rather than focus on that shitty jobs report and he also talked about the judge instead on the Ryan endorsement when it was hot.

I'm still pretty confident that Trump will sink his shitty ship and Clinton will win decisively. She will do fine