I am in agreement with your points, however, underestimating how they got to this point to be able to do what they are doing is not going to get you anywhere. Repeating the behaviors that allowed china to become the powerhouse it is today will only further their quest to total control.

Nixon is what set them on this path.

The way to crush them is a shadow war the way they are conducting one currently. We have a perfect opportunity now that the world has a negative opinion of China as well.

China probably has a hand in controlling our media so any of this would he very difficult to wage effectively.

we very well may be in an era of biological warfare. it is a scary thought because there is very little that can be done.

If we reopen now, China will be worse off than us. However we need to take personal health more seriously as well.

The fact is that if you arent obese, dont smoke, and get enough vitamin D - covid morbidity drops to near zero. For some reason the media still doesnt report on this, probably because they want the economy to collapse so they can enact their leftist dystopia.

We are fortunate in that China has a lot of young smokers.

You were almost coherent there until you went off on leftist dystopia.

Do you not realize that Donald Trump and this new right wing extremism is not in fact conservative at all? Trump's government is the definition of big government - he wants to control everyone- why do you think he is installing loyalists? Half, if not more, of his staff are acting or unvetted hacks who only care about $$$ and leaching his presidency for $$ until they are done with him.

Getting rid of oversight while simultaneously raiding the treasury.

Wants to control voting - if voting isnt in his favor its voter fraud, whereas, if it is in his favor there is no such thing as voter fraud.

These behaviors really speak utopia to you?? There are plenty of examples of where this leads to - the question is, which side do you want to be on? The side that always loses? Because that is where you are on right now. It isnt about right, left or center of the political spectrum. It is about right and wrong. And this current admin, and congress, is wrong. It isn't doing ANYTHING for the people and I believe it is not fair at all.

He has been 3 yrs in office. THere have been zero advancements in technology, infrastructure, space, medical or anything from the USA because trump is only for trump. Trillions in debt, over his 3 year term so far. What really has changed for you? What benefits have you gotten from Trump presidency in the last 3 years that is worth it?

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Let me also add;

He is rolling back environmental and clean water protections - what have we seen since he started doing this? Higher instances of e-coli and salmonella. I worked for a produce import and distribution and can tell you we had to ship back or destroy thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars of produce (obviously written down once it was determined). But that is the result. How many got sick from that and died for no reason?

Furthermore, rolling back on food regulations. More preservatives, less transparency in what your meats and veggies are treated with - is that a good idea? We rely on these foods to live - we know that there are numerous impacts to health on foods riddled with antibiotics and artificial ingredients. You speak about obesity being an issue - this is part of the issue. Who profits here? Drug companies who sell the drugs, chemical companies who sell the preservatvies. WHo loses? YOU as a person do. You say China has smokers - the US has obesity and damn man is obesity a problem.

Additional environmental rollbacks on reserved land - fracking for example- is a horrible practice that destroys the earth - who knows what damage is being done to ecosystems that we can never get back? These all play a part in regulating the balance of nature- what is clear is that humans arent the only creatures on earth who can evolve. There are so many organisms that can evolve in harsh environments and end up fucking us. Not to mention, can we really say we understand the shifting plates in the earth shifting and if that would impact us as well?

So let me ask you again, does this sound like a Utopia to you? Does this sound right?

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Holy lol.

Id take a bite at one of the arguments but theres about 8 incoherent ones all mixed together.

The government is smaller than it was before. How does appointing new people somehow prove that they are corrupt? You make literally zero sense.

WHAT.........................the government is BIGGER than ever LMAO. Trump is literally appointing loyalists designed to allow him to have a hand in everything.

His coronavirus response was delayed in order to find out how he and his son in law can profit first.........................big gov is about control - trump has been consolidating control, installing loyalist, weaponizing your justice department as well as purging the intelligence all for the sake of keeping himself in power. Does this not alarm you?

Incoherent? The only thing incoherent is your ability to muster logical thoughts. All of my examples, you cannot argue. They do not benefit you. So it begs the question, why are you so pro trump?

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this is literally verifiable, but continue to wear that hat and act as if nothing is wrong with firing inspector generals and ordering a blanket refusal to subpeonas and investigations. he has 3 cases to the supreme court right now. why is the DOJ arguing on behalf of the president? thats not how the DOJ works...