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Nov 9 2020 04:19pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 9 2020 04:14pm)
Every Democrat who supported Medicare for all won their seats back easily.

Biden lost in Florida but they overwhelmingly passed the state-wide ballot initiative to raise minimum wage. Maybe Biden should have actually talked about minimum wage instead of giving it tacit support and never mentioning it again.


Well I mean duh. Those who openly support Medicare for all come mostly from super blue seats. If it was purple they'd have a softer stance or wouldn't be in office if they were for m4a all along
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Nov 9 2020 04:20pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 9 2020 05:14pm)
Every Democrat who supported Medicare for all won their seats back easily.

Biden lost in Florida but they overwhelmingly passed the state-wide ballot initiative to raise minimum wage. Maybe Biden should have actually talked about minimum wage instead of giving it tacit support and never mentioning it again.


The analysis I've seen on this is all very weak.

AOC pointed out that all the members who asked for her help won, and those who spurned her didn't. But of course members who ask for her help are in districts where AOC is just more popular overall.

The same thing is happening here.
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Nov 9 2020 04:20pm
Quote (Budgeting @ Nov 9 2020 04:17pm)
hmm ok i am not sure - i may have to read into it again.

regardless, the point is that when the electoral votes are put forward, the rightwing talking points are to just throw the vote to trump instead of biden.


The supreme court ruling basically said electors have to follow state rules.

So if the state says "If you vote faithlessly you get a fine", then you will have to pay the fine but your vote will count.

If the state says "You may not vote faithlessly and have to go with the majority winner of the state" then you can vote faithlessly, but it won't get certified and will still be cast for the person who won the state.

So basically electors have to follow the state rules and pay the consequences if they don't follow them.

Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 9 2020 04:19pm)
Well I mean duh. Those who openly support Medicare for all come mostly from super blue seats. If it was purple they'd have a softer stance or wouldn't be in office if they were for m4a all along


It wasn't all people from easily won seats. The ones who were more liberal tended to outperform even in swing states.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Nov 9 2020 04:21pm
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Nov 9 2020 04:21pm
Quote (Budgeting @ Nov 9 2020 04:17pm)
hmm ok i am not sure - i may have to read into it again.

regardless, the point is that when the electoral votes are put forward, the rightwing talking points are to just throw the vote to trump instead of biden.


I'm not saying it will happen or work. But it's what they're trying. If I wasn't on my phone with a baby on my chest I'd type out a more detailed game plan.
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Nov 9 2020 04:21pm
Quote (Budgeting @ Nov 9 2020 05:19pm)
you havent answered or provided any concrete example of systemic voter fraud in order to get biden elected over trump and you are stupid enough to deflect?

i gave you a concrete example and your response was to hide your little dick in your pants because you cannot accept reality. you try to come off as non-bias level headed but you are a shot of stray sperm who would have been better off being flushed down the gutter.


I was wondering how long it would take for you to melt down.
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Nov 9 2020 04:23pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 9 2020 04:21pm)
I was wondering how long it would take for you to melt down.


Aaaaand reported lol
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Nov 9 2020 04:24pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 9 2020 05:20pm)
The supreme court ruling basically said electors have to follow state rules.

So if the state says "If you vote faithlessly you get a fine", then you will have to pay the fine but your vote will count.

If the state says "You may not vote faithlessly and have to go with the majority winner of the state" then you can vote faithlessly, but it won't get certified and will still be cast for the person who won the state.

So basically electors have to follow the state rules and pay the consequences if they don't follow them.



It wasn't all people from easily won seats. The ones who were more liberal tended to outperform even in swing states.


but would state rules already be in place? or are they updated each election?
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Nov 9 2020 04:25pm
Quote (Budgeting @ Nov 9 2020 04:24pm)
but would state rules already be in place? or are they updated each election?


The rules are passed at the state level. They obviously have to be in place so it's illegal to punish somebody for something that wasn't illegal when they did it.
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Nov 9 2020 04:26pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 9 2020 05:21pm)
I was wondering how long it would take for you to melt down.


go look at the meltdown your supreme commander is having right now and come back to me.

your type are the ones throwing the biggest tantrum the western world has ever seen to try and circumvent an entire election result for the sake of donald fucking trump lmfao
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Nov 9 2020 04:27pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 9 2020 05:25pm)
The rules are passed at the state level. They obviously have to be in place so it's illegal to punish somebody for something that wasn't illegal when they did it.


just wondering the liklihood of them changing in places like swing states for trump to be given the vote even after recounts/whatever dog shit he is throwing to the courts
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