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Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 18 2020 06:24pm)
Wall Street Journal: "This past week, an extraordinary slew of events from adversaries north korea, russia, china, and iran. Toying with the U.S. Air force. What is your message to countries trying to take advantage?"

Trump: "I do not see it, we have a good relationship with russia and we worked on the oil deal together. I was with-by telephone, and the king of saudi arabia, and the president of russia, we worked out a deal on oil that was an important deal to them and us and saudi arabia. I worked with pugin and with the king on that. -- putin. President putin was a total gentleman. It was important to get that john -- import to get that done. -- it was important to get that done. The king was great. We brought in mexico. North korea, I see the are testing short range missiles. They have been doing it a long time. I received a nice note from him recently. It was a nice note. I think we are doing fine. Look, if I was not elected you would be at wharf with north korea for people who do not understand the world and how life works. Maybe the war would be over. Hopefully with a victory. If you remember when I first came and we do not have ammunition. Not a good way to fight a war. President obama left us no ammunition. And he left us virtually no medical. And ventilators. The cupboard was dry, right? I thing right now you would be at war, essentially, in some form. It would be over, it would be raging, with north korea. We are doing just fine with north korea. We will see how it all ends up. They say trump has given up. Really, what has he given up? I don't know. Oh, he met. Oh, I messed. No, I have a good relationship with kim jong-un. It is not about thing to have a good relationship. Obama wanted a relationship. We met at the line and I stepped over the line, the first time a thing like that has ever-it is all good. It is good. But when they say, the stupid people, I call them stupid people, or the haters, they say trump has given up so much. Really? China has been very good on the border. Right now the border is stone cold close between china and north korea. A relationship with china was good until they did this. Once we found out about this. Look, we just made a trade deal. With china to buy $250 billion a year from the farmers -- china is going to have to buy $450 billion from the farmers. Then you heard about this. The question was asked, would you be angry at china? The answer might be a resounding yes, but it depends. It was a mistake that got out of control? Or was it done deliberately, ok? In either event, they should have let us go in. We ask to go in early -- we asked to go in very early. And they would not let us in. I think they were embarrassed. I think we are doing very well. You said russia. You said china. You said north korea. Iran. When I came in, iran was a terror. We had 82 points of fighting, 18 points of confliction. The first week, I said tell me about iran. Sir, we have 18 points of confliction, meaning yemen, syria, iraq. They're a much different nation now. I stopped that deal, horrible, and they want to talk. Carrie made the deal and does not want them to make a deal -- john kerry made the deal and does not want them to make a deal. He made the deal originally. Gave them a $1.8 billion in cash. You could fill up this room 10 times with hundred dollar bills, it is not that small a room. I think it was a major violation and we would have had a deal if it was not for john kerry but he does not want to be number one embarrassed and never to he said which laughter the election. -- wait until after the election. China has paid us, you know, from the wall street journal, hundreds of billions of dollars in tariffs and we get a lot of that money, small percentage but a lot of the money to the farmers and it kept the farmers going great, all right? We are getting tens of billions of dollars in tariffs. For those of you who say we are paying, china devalued their currency in order to pay. They also added money into their system. I think you have numerous countries waiting to see who went. -- who will win. Go back, two months, and china was supposed to catch us. For years I have heard that china will catch us. But they said china would catch us in 2019. And before the problem, china was having the worst year they had and 67 years and now they are getting really hurt and so is everybody getting hurt. I do not want them to get her but they're all getting hurt, everybody is getting hurt, it is admirable thing that has happened, but we had the greatest economy -- it is a horrible thing that has happened. But we had the greatest economy by far and china is not even close and we will keep it that way. But iran is a much different country than it was. When I first came in around was going to take over the entire middle east and right now they just want to survive. They're having protests every week. I have offered to help them if they want. If they need ventilators, which they do, I would send them ventilators. We have thousands of excess ventilators coming in and here we have a stockpile of ventilators and we are starting to send them so hospitals can fill up their stockpile, which they should have. New york chose not to do it and I understand that. Iran was a terror when I came into office, right now they do not want to mess around with us. Two things. North korea, the same sanctions we have always had except mark, have not given anything, I think you'll hopefully -- except more, we have not given anything. I hope you'll take that back to the wall street journal because they do not understand it. And with iran, that is a different country right now. And they want to make a deal. The only reason they want, the guy that gave them the sweetheart did not want to, met with them many times and he should have never met with them. In my opinion he is telling them do not wait, maybe trump will lose and you can negotiate. And you will take over between you and russia. Nobody has been tougher on putin than me. He knows that better than anybody. Look at the sanctions. Look at what I did with our pipeline going into europe. Nobody even knew about it. At the same time, I have a very good relationship with putin. I was able to make a deal with russia and saudi arabia and opec plus. They call it opec plus. That is going to save us texas, north dakota, oklahoma, other states, energy states. That will save jobs. And your paper wrote an editorial, that was a nice thing , I was shocked to see it. Thank you very much, we will see you tomorrow."


What goes on in Donald's head:

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Apr 19 2020 08:39am
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Fake news, asians don't have d cups
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Apr 19 2020 09:35am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 19 2020 02:21pm)
The curves flattening because the most vulnerable are dying first is a bogus argument. In almost all countries, the spatial distribution of covid-19 shows a strong hotspot structure, with some cities or regions being hit badly while other regions are only mildly affected. Meanwhile, vulnerability will obviously be relatively equally distributed - variations in average age, air quality and such are far less pronounced than the differences in the frequency of covid-19 related deaths that we can observe. On top, it has been observed time and time again that a lot of people die once the virus has spread to a particular nursing home, which again shows that protecting the vulnerable populations is possible and recommendable.

Another very contentious point he makes is the claim that the actual fatality rate will end up at around 0.1%. Neither him nor anyone else can know this for certain as of today; and political decision-makers have to include worse scenarios into consideration too. Equally questionable is his claim that 50% of the population have already had the virus. Wherever the corresponding samples were taken and analyzed, the prevalence of antibodies was below 15%, often times below 5%. We've had such studies here in Germany a week ago, similar studies were conducted in Austria and elsewhere.

Simply put, no matter how good of an expert he is in his field, he's still dealing with a ton of uncertainty, and he clearly has no clue about risk management. He's speculating about the most likely scenario according to his expertise, but ignoring the gigantic costs in terms of human life and economic damage that would be incurred if his assessment is wrong. From a risk management point of view, his recommendations are clearly the wrong approach, even if his epidemiological predictions end up having been correct.


The one point where I agree with him is that the Imperial College paper is quite bad, and that an unpublished, unreviewed paper should not have had so much sway.


I agree with you, I just thought it was a different perspective that could have some truth to it. @bolded, that is not what he was saying, he said 50% of the population will have had the virus once mass antibody tests are readily available
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Apr 19 2020 11:33am
Quote (IceMage @ 19 Apr 2020 10:11)
What goes on in Donald's head:

http://i.imgur.com/REzisJ6.gif


I thought it was just a toy monkey with cymbals stuck in an infinite loop having fun up there.
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Apr 19 2020 11:40am
Quote (Fooba @ 19 Apr 2020 19:33)
I thought it was just a toy monkey with cymbals stuck in an infinite loop having fun up there.


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Apr 19 2020 11:49am
Am I missing something? Why are Italy's numbers till so bad.. I believe they were in 100% lockdown LONG ago.
still getting 3k cases a day. Anyone have ideas?
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Apr 19 2020 11:59am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Apr 19 2020 07:49pm)
Am I missing something? Why are Italy's numbers till so bad.. I believe they were in 100% lockdown LONG ago.
still getting 3k cases a day. Anyone have ideas?


Could be infected pizza delivery boys coughing on da pizzas but could also be asymptomatic cases still infecting others. Who knows. It's a shitty virus.
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Apr 19 2020 12:02pm
Quote (Djunior @ Apr 19 2020 10:59am)
Could be infected pizza delivery boys coughing on da pizzas but could also be asymptomatic cases still infecting others. Who knows. It's a shitty virus.


Ok thanks.. 1. vote for delivery pizza
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Apr 19 2020 12:11pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ 19 Apr 2020 19:49)
Am I missing something? Why are Italy's numbers till so bad.. I believe they were in 100% lockdown LONG ago.
still getting 3k cases a day. Anyone have ideas?


People are still spreading the virus among their family and, perhaps, their neighborhood. And there is a long delay before cases pop up. Five to ten days until symptoms manifest, then perhaps another 5-10 days until someone is hospitalized, and then potentially another 1-3 weeks until he dies. So I would say the average time between the infection and death is around 4 months. Add a couple of days of delay in the actual processing, plus infection chains burning through families and neighborhoods even after a strict lockdown is enacted, and you arrive at over a month before death numbers really start going down.

In less affected countries with a smaller base of infected individuals, the lockdowns were showing results more quickly.
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