Quote (caswallen @ Apr 9 2023 12:29pm)
The Bible is the standard for truth
read it, you are reading the truth
quote it, you are quoting the truth
believe it, you are believing the truth
for addone:
combat it, you are combating the truth
See I can disprove this hogwash in many ways. Watch christian spawn as I demonstate how its done.
Example 1:If the bible is truth and everything in it is true then why for example does it presume that the world is 6000 ish years old? There is a calculation done by adding up the years of all the people since creation and biblical dates you can find here
https://answersingenesis.org/age-of-the-earth/how-old-is-the-earth/Yet the world according to science (radiometric dating) is roughly 4.5 billion years old with 2-5% error margin. Science knows that its a rough estimate and makes no definitive claims as truth but when you can validate same result over and over from anywhere done by anyone then it becomes dependable and accurate.
A concordia diagram as used in uranium–lead dating, with data from the Pfunze Belt, Zimbabwe.[19] All the samples show loss of lead isotopes, but the intercept of the errorchron (straight line through the sample points) and the concordia (curve) shows the correct age of the rock.[15]We also know that there are many stories/written texts from different cultures around the world ie aboriginals in australia claim that their ancestors go back 75,000years ago.
Only small group in the middle east who subscribe to judeo-christian faith believe in 6000 year earth while the rest of the world doesn't which through statistics alone makes you a minority on pure speculation. Bible is heresay at best.
Example 2:Ant behavior
Proverbs 6:6-8 (Willibrord) The English translation would look something like this:
6:6 Look at the ant, you lazy bum, watch her behavior and become wise.
6:7 She has no captain, no supervisor, no ruler,
6:8 but she makes sure that she has food in the summer and safeguards her food during harvest
The idea that the ant is an individual animal that does everything herself simply isn't true from a biological standpoint. Ants live in a colony with many subdivisions, which include workers and queens. Most ants in reality do only have one mission and that is to make sure that their queen is fed and alive to pass on the genes to a succeeding population. So, in a sense, worker ants do have rulers and the ant population does survive as a population, where every individual is dependent on another.
Example 3:Christians struggling with maths
Pi
Visualization.
The Bible mentions a circle whose dimensions would make pi equal to 3. This has been a source of humor for skeptics and consternation for literalist Christians and Jews.
The cauldron is first mentioned in 1 Kings 7:23-26 (KJV):
And he made a molten sea [cauldron], ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. And under the brim of it round about there were knops compassing it, ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about: the knops were cast in two rows, when it was cast. It stood upon twelve oxen, three looking toward the north, and three looking toward the west, and three looking toward the south, and three looking toward the east: and the sea was set above upon them, and all their hinder parts were inward. And it was an hand breadth thick, and the brim thereof was wrought like the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies: it contained two thousand baths.
Said verse is reiterated in 2 Chronicles 4:2-5 (KJV):
Also he made a molten sea [cauldron] of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and five cubits the height thereof; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. And under it was the similitude of oxen, which did compass it round about: ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about. Two rows of oxen were cast, when it was cast. It stood upon twelve oxen, three looking toward the north, and three looking toward the west, and three looking toward the south, and three looking toward the east: and the sea was set above upon them, and all their hinder parts were inward. And the thickness of it was an handbreadth, and the brim of it like the work of the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies; and it received and held three thousand baths.
These verses present three notable problems for literalist Christians.
1. Value of pi
Pi is a circle's circumference divided by its diameter. (C = πd, π = C/d.) According to a purely literalistic interpretation of the Bible, these are the circle's dimensions:
Circumference (C) = 30 cubits ("a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about")
Diameter (d) = 10 cubits ("ten cubits from the one brim to the other")
Thus:
Biblical Pi (π) = (C/d) = (30 cubits/10 cubits) = 3.0
However, actual pi is not 3.[citation NOT needed] The actual value of π is 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288...
This leaves Biblical literalists in a bind: either reject mathematics and most of modern technology,[6] or reject Biblical literalism.
2. Over-statement of Capacity
Per 1 Kings, the capacity of the "container" was (at least?) 2 000 baths, whereas 2 Chronicles asserts the capacity at (at least?) 3 000 baths.
Ignoring the internal contradiction in respect of its capacity (2 000 baths versus 3 000 baths - proving inaccuracy in itself), one is still left with the impossibility / inaccuracy pertaining to the capacity of the container.
"Molten sea", unfortunately does not describe an exact geometric shape. What is clear, however, is that the container was round at the brim, with a height (depth) half its diameter. It might have been of hemispherical- (a half-sphere, with every point on its surface equidistant to the centre of the circle at the brim), or cylindrical- (with straight parallel sides and a bottom circle replicating the brim) shape, (or indeed any ovaloid shape in between).
A. The container as a hemisphere: If the stated verses intended describing a hemisphere, with a 10 cubit diameter (i.e. a 5 cubit radius / depth), the capacity thereof calculates as follows:
Volume of a hemisphere = 2 π r³/3
THUS: 2 (3.14) (2.29m)³/3 -》 (5 cubits = 2.286m)
≈ 25.14 m³ or 25 140 litres
(All values rounded upward to two decimals to fit more "baths")
Using the smallest known variable for the biblical unit for "bath" at 22.00 litres (rounded downward to fit more "baths"), a hemispherical "container" could at most hold :
25 140 litres / 22 = 1 143 baths
THUS: Even applying approximations to the various factors to best calculate the highest number of "baths" a hemispherical container could possibly engulf, one is left with a staggering over-statement of its capacity by ±42% (in the case of 2 000 baths as stated by 1 Kings), or an even more-embellished over-statement of its capacity by ±62% (in the case of the 3 000 baths of 2 Chronicles).
B. The container as a cylinder: In the alternative, the stated verses could have intended to describe a cylinder, the capacity of which calculates as follows:
Volume of a cylinder = π r² h
THUS: (3.14) (2.29m)² (2.29) -》 (5 cubits = 2.286m)
≈ 37.73 m³ or 37 730 litres
(All values rounded upward to two decimals to fit more "baths")
Using the smallest known variable for the biblical unit for "bath" at 22.00 litres (rounded downward to fit more "baths"), a cylindrical "container" could at most hold :
37 730 litres / 22 = 1 715 baths
THUS: Even applying approximation, the capacity is still over-stated by ±15% (in the case of 2 000 baths as stated by 1 Kings), or ±43% (in the case of the 3 000 baths of 2 Chronicles).
C. The container as an irregular or ovaloid shape: In the further alternative, the said verses might have intended to describe an irregular or ovaloid shape.
In that case, the capacity would range between the values calculated at A
above and that calculated at B.
THUS: The over-statement of the container's capacity remains
Evidently bible isn't truth but a mongoloid attempt to make sense of the world.
This post was edited by addone on Apr 8 2023 08:18pm