Quote (fender @ Dec 7 2021 01:17pm)
you left out a whole bunch of relevant stuff (most importantly, my reply to the duff post you quoted there) that was posted in between the particular points you chose to now justify your pathetic little display of butthurt. you also completely ignored what i explicitly specified as my main points. unfortunately for you, that kind of context matters.
also, you can twist yourself into a pretzel pretending like religious sentiments aren't a main driver behind the anti-choice movement, or pretend that growing up amongst people holding those has no impact on your views, morals, and values, as long as you declare yourself an atheist at some point, or simply claim religion has nothing to do with it, but again: i addressed that talking point immediately after it was made in the first place, and only a truly ignorant (or bad faith) participant would choose to simply ignore that.
have the crayon version: you don't have to believe in any god to make arguments rooted in religious world views - you don't even have to have ANY religious inspiration or background to have shitty views on a particular issue. when it comes to abortion, however, the chance of anti-choice fundamentalists being religious or influenced by religious values is extremely high, even if not at 100%.
my whole point is that imo Duff resides in the almost non existent category of anti abortion pro life person who is also that way sans religious motivations. he may be a unicorn, and surely is in Pard. but you are pretending that his views MUST be tainted by religious motivations. a point that is extremely softened by him explicitly saying that is the case, which u seem to have barged through.
i suspect that you're doing the thing you often seem to, wherein someone says they think a certain thing and you make the assumption they're lying to try and win internet points. but as it logically stands to reason that even an atheist could have high reverence for human life if they're not also a nihilist i have no reason to distrust Duff's generally honest word on the matter.
as to the many claims to me im not doing anything you're claiming im doing, i fully acknowledge that religious upbringings tend to taint the stances of pro lifers even if they arent actively practicing or using religion to justify their stance, and i fully admit that finding someone that is truly nonreligious and pro life is rare as rare gets, bordering but not necessarily into nonexistent.
you also seem to be quite intent on identifying my butthurt when ive been fairly nice other than an obviously silly nazi joke to santara and admitted fully my stance is in line more or less with yours about what society needs to to to reduce abortion numbers and create a more healthy society. it appears olive branches or perhaps olive trees may not be enough for you to remain civil, but if u feel u must u can make some joke about my ancestors.
This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 7 2021 12:33pm