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Sep 8 2021 09:24pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 8 2021 10:17pm)


Do you have any issue with businesses refusing to serve people who aren't vaccinated? This seems like something that would be 100% in your wheel house, since they should be able to reject anybody for any reason.
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Do you have any issue with businesses refusing to serve people who aren't vaccinated? This seems like something that would be 100% in your wheel house, since they should be able to reject anybody for any reason.


The idea that anyone can require to see your medical records just to do business, perhaps?
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Do you have any issue with businesses refusing to serve people who aren't vaccinated? This seems like something that would be 100% in your wheel house, since they should be able to reject anybody for any reason.


I know this question isn't directed at me but:

Personally, I say I would be ok with that, based on my own principle. I believe that private entities should be allowed to discriminate against anybody for any reason. However, I know that in a lot of places, and certainly in a lot of states in your country, businesses are prohibited from discriminating against patrons of certain classes. And I see nothing wrong with adding "political beliefs" to the list of protected classes of people. And people not believing vaccines are necessary can be argued as a political belief of some sort.
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Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 8 2021 10:29pm)
I know this question isn't directed at me but:

Personally, I say I would be ok with that, based on my own principle. I believe that private entities should be allowed to discriminate against anybody for any reason. However, I know that in a lot of places, and certainly in a lot of states in your country, businesses are prohibited from discriminating against patrons of certain classes. And I see nothing wrong with adding "political beliefs" to the list of protected classes of people. And people not believing vaccines are necessary can be argued as a political belief of some sort.


If this is the case then nothing wouldn't be classifed as "political beliefs". I have a political belief that conservatives should be murdered. Oh you don't want me in your business? Sorry, protected class.

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The idea that anyone can require to see your medical records just to do business, perhaps?


They can already do credit checks, background checks, etc. etc. Wanting to see evidence of vaccine status is not "seeing your medical records".
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If this is the case then nothing wouldn't be classifed as "political beliefs". I have a political belief that conservatives should be murdered. Oh you don't want me in your business? Sorry, protected class.


If that's your concern, then we can have an open discussion and try to define "political beliefs" in a way that's acceptable to everybody.

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They can already do credit checks, background checks, etc. etc.


When you just want to go into a McDonalds and order some fries? No dude, you high.

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Wanting to see evidence of vaccine status is not "seeing your medical records".


A vaccine passport is not that different from a medical record.
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I just don't see how businesses would be able to find out whether a customer's been vaccinated or not. It would be a serious breach of one's privacy.
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If that's your concern, then we can have an open discussion and try to define "political beliefs" in a way that's acceptable to everybody.

When you just want to go into a McDonalds and order some fries? No dude, you high.

A vaccine passport is not that different from a medical record.


We will never have a definion of political belief that's acceptable from everybody because I reject out of hand that vaccination status is a belief, and that beliefs about vaccination should exempt you from vaccine requirements.

If they wanted to do all that at mcdonalds I wouldn't go there. That's how free market works.

A vaccine passport doesn't exist. However your vaccine card you get when you get vaccinated exists, and that is only a medical record in the loosest sense. If that's a medical record then a facebook post saying "stubbed my toe, went to Dr. Smith's" is a medical record.

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If this is the case then nothing wouldn't be classifed as "political beliefs". I have a political belief that conservatives should be murdered. Oh you don't want me in your business? Sorry, protected class.

They can already do credit checks, background checks, etc. etc. Wanting to see evidence of vaccine status is not "seeing your medical records".


Regarding the first point, I do not believe that the political viewpoint of a person is enough to discriminate against them. And in Wasthington D.C. that's an honest to god protected class.

Credit checks require affirmative consent. Same with background checks. These things cannot be done by Walmart at all, unless you're seeking an open line of credit. This is a piss poor example.

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Regarding the first point, I do not believe that the political viewpoint of a person is enough to discriminate against them. And in Wasthington D.C. that's an honest to god protected class.

Credit checks require affirmative consent. Same with background checks. These things cannot be done by Walmart at all, unless you're seeking an open line of credit. This is a piss por example.


If you enter an establishment and they say "you can't come in unless you show me your vaccine card" and you show it to them, that's affirmative consent.

Vaccine status is not a belief.
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Sep 8 2021 09:44pm
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If you enter an establishment and they say "you can't come in unless you show me your vaccine card" and you show it to them, that's affirmative consent.

Vaccine status is not a belief.


I'll just do take-out or go drive thru then.
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