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Aug 24 2021 08:47am
geez the R mystical definition of communism shows it's true colors again.
Bernie=The Red Enemy.
Yet we are offended if he makes some money.
wut?
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geez the R mystical definition of communism shows it's true colors again.
Bernie=The Red Enemy.
Yet we are offended if he makes some money.
wut?


the hilarious reality is R's define communism as "they want everyone to have the exact same amount of money", which if true (it isnt) would be like 10x the amount of money they have.

they also think that communism invariably leads to corrupt politicians (and it does), but then point out a corrupt politician as if it disproves communism.

so much friendly fire whenever those idiots try and talk about communism, they cant help jumping the shark.
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the hilarious reality is R's define communism as "they want everyone to have the exact same amount of money", which if true (it isnt) would be like 10x the amount of money they have.

they also think that communism invariably leads to corrupt politicians (and it does), but then point out a corrupt politician as if it disproves communism.

so much friendly fire whenever those idiots try and talk about communism, they cant help jumping the shark.


somebody should sticky the definition for communism and socialism to the PaRD section
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Aug 24 2021 09:30am
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somebody should sticky the definition for communism and socialism to the PaRD section


see but therein lies the issue. the textbook definition conflicts with the definition in practice, and the definition once things go poorly. also there is social and economic versions of each, that can exist independently or with each other.

the solution lies in nuance, not simplification. as well as recognizing that each government requires moderation and flexibility, just the same as democracy and the free market.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 24 2021 09:58am)
"he has 3 homes, and could put all those millions of people who are homeless into 2 of them" might be the stupidest take there is.

"he's not a real commie/socialist" being not far behind. Dude read Marx in college and dug it now 50 years later has idiots saying he's not toeing the line that dont believe in it as an ideology anyways.



Did I say all?

Socialism/communism looks to eliminate they outliers and promises some semblance or standard for all of society. When the guy that has been rallying against the rich for decades ends up accumulating wealth in the form of millions in currency and properties it’s fun to point out the hypocrisy of what he’s preaching.
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see but therein lies the issue. the textbook definition conflicts with the definition in practice, and the definition once things go poorly. also there is social and economic versions of each, that can exist independently or with each other.

the solution lies in nuance, not simplification. as well as recognizing that each government requires moderation and flexibility, just the same as democracy and the free market.


yea I would like to have some somewhere link so I can save time in the "masks are communism!" conversations.
Or you can't have socialized medical cuz "Venezuela"

This post was edited by theCrossbones on Aug 24 2021 10:02am
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yea I would like to have some somewhere link so I can save time in the "masks are communism!" conversations.
Or you can't have socialized medical cuz "Venezuela"


U can link it but they still wont listen.
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 24 2021 10:47am)
Did I say all?

Socialism/communism looks to eliminate they outliers and promises some semblance or standard for all of society. When the guy that has been rallying against the rich for decades ends up accumulating wealth in the form of millions in currency and properties it’s fun to point out the hypocrisy of what he’s preaching.


Except socialism doesn't seek to exclude outliers, and regardless Bernie is right on the line between socialist and liberal. Not even close to communism and still very much okay with millionaires. I'll remind you there is 3 orders of magnitude between millionaire and billionaire since you're bad at math.
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Except socialism doesn't seek to exclude outliers, and regardless Bernie is right on the line between socialist and liberal. Not even close to communism and still very much okay with millionaires. I'll remind you there is 3 orders of magnitude between millionaire and billionaire since you're bad at math.


By definition, it denies individuals the full reward of their merit. That is what void means by eliminating "outliers".

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Estimates in this study point to adverse effects of highly progressive income tax schedules on GDP per capita through both lower labour utilisation and lower productivity (see below) partly reflecting lesser incentives to invest in higher
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