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Nov 10 2020 01:41pm
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You guys have never actually been down here have you?



Yeh they sold confederate flag coffee cups when I was outside of gatlinburg 2 years ago


In multiple shops đŸ„ł

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Nov 10 2020 02:41pm
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To be honest, we've been headed towards this for a long time. George W. Bush was a disaster, but as a man treated unfairly. The left overreached with Obama, which led to an even larger pushback on the right. The Democrats came to see the leftist drift of the 2000s as a permanent fixture of history, and were shell-shocked when Obama's overreach and a historically bad candidate led to Trump. The Democrats proceeded to spend 4 years travelling down the woke rabbit hole, while institutional attacks on Trump from the FBI and others led to intense paranoia among the Republican base.

Now we're at a point where both sides hate each other to a degree that would be unthinkable twenty years ago. I'm not sure anything can be done to change that. The cultural split has become far too vast, and it needs to be decided one way or the other.


I agree that Bush was treated unfairly. His administration was reasonably negligent with a fair amount of things but a lot of it was out of his control. There's no doubt in my mind that he put his country above all else though.

I don't think the left reached that much with Obama. At the end of the day he was (and still is IMO) a political novice and was just no match against the Right Wing Rage Machine. This is actually a really complicated problem with no easy solutions. There's A LOT of blame to go around (media, tech, education, the American people, etc.)
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Nov 10 2020 03:28pm
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I agree that Bush was treated unfairly. His administration was reasonably negligent with a fair amount of things but a lot of it was out of his control. There's no doubt in my mind that he put his country above all else though.

I don't think the left reached that much with Obama. At the end of the day he was (and still is IMO) a political novice and was just no match against the Right Wing Rage Machine. This is actually a really complicated problem with no easy solutions. There's A LOT of blame to go around (media, tech, education, the American people, etc.)

GW Bush was treated unfairly yes, but that disaster warmongering is on him. Boo hoo ‘it was all Cheney and Rumsfeld’ so? last i checked he was President.

I agree with the bold only if you agree that Trump was matched up with the entire political rage machine. Obama at least only had one party against him. Trump had 1.75 basically if not almost 2 parties against him
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Nov 10 2020 06:35pm
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GW Bush was treated unfairly yes, but that disaster warmongering is on him. Boo hoo ‘it was all Cheney and Rumsfeld’ so? last i checked he was President.

I agree with the bold only if you agree that Trump was matched up with the entire political rage machine. Obama at least only had one party against him. Trump had 1.75 basically if not almost 2 parties against him


Trump has the entire GOP by the balls. They can't even say that he lost the election LMAO. The Neocons have been soundly defeated and embarrassed.
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Nov 10 2020 07:11pm
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Trump has the entire GOP by the balls. They can't even say that he lost the election LMAO. The Neocons have been soundly defeated and embarrassed.

why would they? on the off chance he wins they escape his wrath, he loses they can blame him for the recount etc

the neocons dont care about optics only war
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Nov 10 2020 07:16pm
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Trump has the entire GOP by the balls. They can't even say that he lost the election LMAO. The Neocons have been soundly defeated and embarrassed.


This is exactly what is happening to the Democrats as we speak. Give Republicans credit, at least they're smart enough to follow strength.
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Nov 10 2020 07:21pm
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why would they? on the off chance he wins they escape his wrath, he loses they can blame him for the recount etc

the neocons dont care about optics only war


We can't begin to heal until they admit defeat. I mean, as someone who leans right, Biden is the dream candidate. My biggest concern is that Trump keeps the GOP in a stranglehold until 2024. I don't see any reason why Trump can't be like Grover Cleveland. Given what we know NOW about 2020, I don't think Kamala is the favorite vs. Trump.

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This is exactly what is happening to the Democrats as we speak. Give Republicans credit, at least they're smart enough to follow strength.


The strength comes from unreliable voters. How many Trump voters do you think will stick around if he's no longer on the ticket? The electorate is more or less the same compared to 2018 and that was a "blue wave."

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Nov 10 2020 07:47pm
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We can't begin to heal until they admit defeat. I mean, as someone who leans right, Biden is the dream candidate. My biggest concern is that Trump keeps the GOP in a stranglehold until 2024. I don't see any reason why Trump can't be like Grover Cleveland. Given what we know NOW about 2020, I don't think Kamala is the favorite vs. Trump.



The strength comes from unreliable voters. How many Trump voters do you think will stick around if he's no longer on the ticket? The electorate is more or less the same compared to 2018 and that was a "blue wave."

we aren’t healing. why does the left want to “heal” with 71MM+ people they called literally hitler/racist/deplorables/chumps/xenophobes etc.??
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Nov 10 2020 07:55pm
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The strength comes from unreliable voters. How many Trump voters do you think will stick around if he's no longer on the ticket? The electorate is more or less the same compared to 2018 and that was a "blue wave."


Quite a few, so long as the Republican party doesn't go full Jeb!. The Republican party has a winning strategy, they just don't have the players to execute it.
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Nov 10 2020 08:21pm
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we aren’t healing. why does the left want to “heal” with 71MM+ people they called literally hitler/racist/deplorables/chumps/xenophobes etc.??


Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 10 2020 05:55pm)
Quite a few, so long as the Republican party doesn't go full Jeb!. The Republican party has a winning strategy, they just don't have the players to execute it.


Where were they in 2018? These people are not consistent voters and that's a big problem. The GOP has a winning strategy IF they can win the suburbs back. You can't rely on sky high rural/exurban turnout because it's not sustainable.

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we aren’t healing. why does the left want to “heal” with 71MM+ people they called literally hitler/racist/deplorables/chumps/xenophobes etc.??


They need to get over it. People on the left tolerated a lot of abuse too and a lot of them want blood (look at AOC's hitlist lol). They aren't getting it because we have a President whose entire platform is healing the country. Ideally, Biden makes politics so fucking boring that people cool down.
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