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Sep 5 2018 10:48pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 5 Sep 2018 23:16)
A textbook RINO who doesnt have to face voters anymore finally comes clean and admits that he's effectively a Democrat in this day and age. That's not as big of a story as you seem to think.

Trump's election has brought realignment in the coalitions of both major parties. The GOP has won support among working-class voters from Democrats, and the Democrats are gaining ground from the GOP with well-educated suburbanites.
Such a realignment is a normal process and usually happens at least once every 2-3 election cycles. And a guy like Bill Graves happens to be among those affected by this recent realignment, guys like him happen to be the kind of people who suddenly find themselves washed away from their old home and stranded on a new shore.


Bolded is key. A lot of the Republicans with nothing at stake criticize the President. Think about the retiring Congressman...Costello, Dent, Flake, Corker. Among active GOP politicians, they are amongst the most criticial of the President. Everyone else is scared.

What do you think that says about Trump? What do you think Republicans are saying behind closed doors?
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Sep 5 2018 10:57pm
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Bolded is key. A lot of the Republicans with nothing at stake criticize the President. Think about the retiring Congressman...Costello, Dent, Flake, Corker. Among active GOP politicians, they are amongst the most criticial of the President. Everyone else is scared.

What do you think that says about Trump? What do you think Republicans are saying behind closed doors?



thats a chicken and egg thing: are they retiring because they cant silence their conscience and work with trump anymore; or are they retiring because their brand of republicanism has fallen out of favor with the base?

there is good reason to assume that those republican officials who are particularly critical of trump and his ideas and style are also particularly prone to have no place anymore in trump's republican party, and thus overrepresented among those who are retiring this year.
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Sep 6 2018 12:10pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 5 Sep 2018 23:57)
thats a chicken and egg thing: are they retiring because they cant silence their conscience and work with trump anymore; or are they retiring because their brand of republicanism has fallen out of favor with the base?

there is good reason to assume that those republican officials who are particularly critical of trump and his ideas and style are also particularly prone to have no place anymore in trump's republican party, and thus overrepresented among those who are retiring this year.


That's a good point. It is hard to separate the two.

But I'd venture to say that retiring Republicans just have more freedom to speak their mind. Behind closed doors, I think most of them know this is a giant shitshow.

Trey Gowdy is still embraced by the Trump base and would be easily re-elected, but when he decided to retire, he began making a lot of comments that went after the President.

Many ex and current members of Trump's own administration have called him an idiot or something of the same variety. Unless that was just fake news.
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Sep 6 2018 12:14pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 6 2018 12:36am)
well, there's a reason why there is a well-established term "RINO", but not "LINO".

generally speaking, the country has been moving to the left on almost all soical and cultural issues for over 25 straight years, since the early 90s. thus, there was no real incentive for moderate democrats to shift to the right, while there was plenty of incentive for moderate republicans to shift to the left.

I agree that the Manchin/Collins example is an isolated case. These two have almost identical positions and ideology, and they know and respect each other a lot.


I think you mean DINO aka Dino Spumoni
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This is very disturbing:

https://www.wsav.com/news/your-local-election-hq/georgia-voters-watch-their-ballots-mysteriously-switch/1417544222

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Savannah, GA - On September 17, a federal judge will hear attorneys' arguments in the Georgia paper ballot lawsuit. News 3 talked to the candidates for Congressional District 1 and both agree secure elections are important for democracy, even if it costs some money.

Georgia and four other states do not use paper ballots as a backup for electronic voting machines. In Washington, a group of bi-partisan lawmakers are banding to mandate the extra security measure across the nation. But right now, the Secretary of State, Brian Kemp is facing a federal lawsuit because he's reluctant to make the change before the upcoming November 6 election. While Kemp says he does agree the system needs updating, he's fighting to delay it citing confusion and cost.

Representative Buddy Carter/(R) Georgia 1st District says voter security is not about money, "I don't think there's any question that we need to spend a little bit of extra to make sure we have safe and secure elections."

In 2017, an investigation into the current system which uses 15 year old voting kiosks, was determined in serious jeopardy. But nothing was done. Instead, several databases with vital information was missing that could've assisted in the remedy.

Democrat candidate Lisa Ring says voters are complaining they've been expunged from the rolls, that their designated and confirmed polling place was closed when they arrived for the Primary election, even worse, some saw their vote changing in front of their eyes.

Candidate Lisa Ring/(D) Georgia 1st District: "We've heard reports all over the state of these old machines often not taking a persons vote, it'll change. Change the vote. And, sometimes, if people don't catch it, we don't know if the vote is being recorded accurately."


Georgia is facing other election concerns as well. There is controversy over the boundary line drawn for at least one voting district, several polls were almost closed in a majority black district and the lawsuit looming in federal court. Georgia voters head to the polls November 6 to elect a new governor and Ring has an opinion on that election.

"Our Secretary of State who is in charge of our elections is running for Governor and has not stepped down as Secretary of State, so that there's no conflict of interest there. That is of great concern to our voter integrity."


Ring says voters need to safeguard their vote by confirming they are active on the voting rolls, confirming their polling place and closely watch their ballot before hitting the "send and exit" button.


Yikes! SO many things wrong here... i don't know where to begin...
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Sep 6 2018 04:58pm
begin by repaying your scam
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Quote (HeLiCaL @ Sep 6 2018 06:58pm)
begin by repaying your scam


Take your ADHD meds please because you're really bad at staying on topic.
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Sep 6 2018 05:02pm
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This is very disturbing:

https://www.wsav.com/news/your-local-election-hq/georgia-voters-watch-their-ballots-mysteriously-switch/1417544222

Yikes! SO many things wrong here... i don't know where to begin...



Here, I read the whole article, and this is the only valid thing in it...

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Ring says voters need to safeguard their vote by confirming they are active on the voting rolls, confirming their polling place and closely watch their ballot before hitting the "send and exit" button.



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Sep 6 2018 05:03pm
Quote (Ghot @ Sep 6 2018 06:02pm)
Here, I read the whole article, and this is the only valid thing in it...


sounds simple enough but hard for some people
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Sep 6 2018 05:06pm
Quote (Ghot @ Sep 6 2018 07:02pm)
Here, I read the whole article, and this is the only valid thing in it...


So hypothetically, you wouldn't have a problem if you voted for Trump and it got switched to Hillary and there was no paper ballot to back it up your vote, so it went on the record as a vote for Hillary? Gotcha.
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