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Jul 14 2024 12:23pm

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jul 14 2024 02:15pm)

Your question was would more gun control lead to less leaders being shot. The evidenced overwhelmingly supports the answer being yes.


I can get behind you on this one. More gun control equals less billionaire politicians being shot.

But then your city turns into st.louis, so only law abiding citizens get screwed. And then criminals turn to machetes and you have your country turn into Britain.

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Jul 14 2024 12:26pm
Quote (Ghot @ Jul 14 2024 10:50am)
This.

On top of everything else... it "sounded" like a .22 cal

.22 caliber bullets come in all shapes. .22 is the diameter of the bullet itself.
The bigger the "cartridge", the louder they sound.


On the video of the actual shooting, from the sound, I'd guess it was about the size of the one with the "silver" cartridge...


Lol, no.

A .22 report isn't remotely in the same ballpark as a .223/5.56. Yes, a .223 is "only" 1% greater in diameter, but 38% more mass (typical 40gr vs 55gr bullets) and 10 TIMES more energy (typically ~128 ft/lb vs ~1282 ft/lb). All 13 reports were of higher powered rifles than a .22. People who compare .22 to .223 are either dishonest or stupid.

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I can get behind you on this one. More gun control equals less billionaire politicians being shot.

But then your city turns into st.louis, so only law abiding citizens get screwed. And then criminals turn to machetes and you have your country turn into Britain.

https://i.postimg.cc/SxzscPSV/1720109756947903.jpg


I'd take Britain any day. Lower murder rates than the 30 biggest US cities.
A guy in his bedroom with a zelda sword or a guy on a Vegas balcony with an automatic rifle.

"Last year, there were 136 homicides in the UK capital, according to Metropolitan Police figures. That translates to a rate of 1.54 homicides per 100,000 people.

In 2017, the number of homicides was slightly higher at 140 incidents -- a homicide rate of 1.59 per 100,000 residents. The 2017 figures include those killed in the London Bridge terror attack in June that year.

In comparison, the 30 largest cities in the US all had a higher murder rate per 100,000, using analysis by New York University's Brennan Center for Justice for 2017 -- the latest available year.
Of the cities examined, Baltimore, Detroit and Chicago had the highest murder rates at 55.8, 39.8 and 24.1 respectively."
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I'd take Britain any day. Lower murder rates than the 30 biggest US cities.
A guy in his bedroom with a zelda sword or a guy on a Vegas balcony with an automatic rifle.

"Last year, there were 136 homicides in the UK capital, according to Metropolitan Police figures. That translates to a rate of 1.54 homicides per 100,000 people.

In 2017, the number of homicides was slightly higher at 140 incidents -- a homicide rate of 1.59 per 100,000 residents. The 2017 figures include those killed in the London Bridge terror attack in June that year.

In comparison, the 30 largest cities in the US all had a higher murder rate per 100,000, using analysis by New York University's Brennan Center for Justice for 2017 -- the latest available year.
Of the cities examined, Baltimore, Detroit and Chicago had the highest murder rates at 55.8, 39.8 and 24.1 respectively."


murder rate is mostly gangs killing each other, we really need to stop rap/gang culture.
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I'd take Britain any day. Lower murder rates than the 30 biggest US cities.
A guy in his bedroom with a zelda sword or a guy on a Vegas balcony with an automatic rifle.

"Last year, there were 136 homicides in the UK capital, according to Metropolitan Police figures. That translates to a rate of 1.54 homicides per 100,000 people.

In 2017, the number of homicides was slightly higher at 140 incidents -- a homicide rate of 1.59 per 100,000 residents. The 2017 figures include those killed in the London Bridge terror attack in June that year.

In comparison, the 30 largest cities in the US all had a higher murder rate per 100,000, using analysis by New York University's Brennan Center for Justice for 2017 -- the latest available year.
Of the cities examined, Baltimore, Detroit and Chicago had the highest murder rates at 55.8, 39.8 and 24.1 respectively."


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If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
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Quote (Ryvulet @ Jul 14 2024 07:44pm)
murder rate is mostly gangs killing each other, we really need to stop rap/gang culture.


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Quote (Santara @ Jul 14 2024 07:45pm)
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Your right. We shouldve kept our guns. The oppressive state is providing free prescriptions, free university education and I get 28 days holiday a year.
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Quote (John Adams)
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.



Truly inspirational.

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 14 Jul 2024 20:15)
And yet the last attempt on a UK leader was 1812, thats over 200 years. The US population surpassed the UK in 1860.
US population was roughly double UK population until the 1950's.

So how many US leaders got shot since? Not to mention MLK, Malcolm X and all the attempted shootings like Reagan.
Your question was would more gun control lead to less leaders being shot. The evidence overwhelmingly supports the answer being yes.


You're falling for small sample effects here. Add one assassination of a UK PM or remove one assassination of a US president and this entire comparison looks completely different.
Also, the UK might be a favorably chosen reference point. There were plenty of assassinations and assassination attempts against political leaders in Japan, France, Germany, Turkey, Israel and many other places.

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So close, yet so far.


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