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Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 18 2020 11:11pm)
Pollster's multi


He name changed. He was pretty proud of it at the time, iirc.
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Quote (Crankyjimster @ Apr 18 2020 06:27pm)
who cares. We're closer to a civil war then we have ever been in decades. Lets focus on that. This might be a good thing for America. Snowflakes will stop trying to ruin our freedom of speech and worry about their bills instead.


We should have said civil war. You think rural America is hurt now, wait until all rednecks are deemed unessential, then its straight up hunger games for you and your hillbilly children.


Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 19 2020 05:31am)
He's 87. That's the explanation right there.


Well let's put him in the fuckinh presidential race. That's where all seniors with major neurocognitive disorders are now.

I'm still waiting for trump to get covid to see if he really is the healthiest president who's ever taken office.


Quote (excellence @ Apr 18 2020 06:49pm)
guy rage quoted me 4 times in one page :lol:
i havent brutally bamboozled someone this bad since when I ran Pollster off the forum

e: thanks for the fuckin laugh!!!


Did i miss the fun, sheeple?

All this common sense is basically making us slaves.

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This is a really interesting piece that will make you question your preconceived notions of what is the correct government response to coronavirus

https://unherd.com/thepost/coming-up-epidemiologist-prof-johan-giesecke-shares-lessons-from-sweden/?=frpo

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Professor Johan Giesecke, one of the world’s most senior epidemiologists, advisor to the Swedish Government (he hired Anders Tegnell who is currently directing Swedish strategy), the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, and an advisor to the director general of the WHO, lays out with typically Swedish bluntness why he thinks:

UK policy on lockdown and other European countries are not evidence-based
The correct policy is to protect the old and the frail only
This will eventually lead to herd immunity as a “by-product”
The initial UK response, before the “180 degree U-turn”, was better
The Imperial College paper was “not very good” and he has never seen an unpublished paper have so much policy impact
The paper was very much too pessimistic
Any such models are a dubious basis for public policy anyway
The flattening of the curve is due to the most vulnerable dying first as much as the lockdown
The results will eventually be similar for all countries
Covid-19 is a “mild disease” and similar to the flu, and it was the novelty of the disease that scared people.
The actual fatality rate of Covid-19 is the region of 0.1%
At least 50% of the population of both the UK and Sweden will be shown to have already had the disease when mass antibody testing becomes available
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This is a really interesting piece that will make you question your preconceived notions of what is the correct government response to coronavirus

https://unherd.com/thepost/coming-up-epidemiologist-prof-johan-giesecke-shares-lessons-from-sweden/?=frpo


Sure you should open your pubs right now LOL
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Quote (dro94 @ 19 Apr 2020 14:52)
This is a really interesting piece that will make you question your preconceived notions of what is the correct government response to coronavirus

https://unherd.com/thepost/coming-up-epidemiologist-prof-johan-giesecke-shares-lessons-from-sweden/?=frpo


The curves flattening because the most vulnerable are dying first is a bogus argument. In almost all countries, the spatial distribution of covid-19 shows a strong hotspot structure, with some cities or regions being hit badly while other regions are only mildly affected. Meanwhile, vulnerability will obviously be relatively equally distributed - variations in average age, air quality and such are far less pronounced than the differences in the frequency of covid-19 related deaths that we can observe. On top, it has been observed time and time again that a lot of people die once the virus has spread to a particular nursing home, which again shows that protecting the vulnerable populations is possible and recommendable.

Another very contentious point he makes is the claim that the actual fatality rate will end up at around 0.1%. Neither him nor anyone else can know this for certain as of today; and political decision-makers have to include worse scenarios into consideration too. Equally questionable is his claim that 50% of the population have already had the virus. Wherever the corresponding samples were taken and analyzed, the prevalence of antibodies was below 15%, often times below 5%. We've had such studies here in Germany a week ago, similar studies were conducted in Austria and elsewhere.

Simply put, no matter how good of an expert he is in his field, he's still dealing with a ton of uncertainty, and he clearly has no clue about risk management. He's speculating about the most likely scenario according to his expertise, but ignoring the gigantic costs in terms of human life and economic damage that would be incurred if his assessment is wrong. From a risk management point of view, his recommendations are clearly the wrong approach, even if his epidemiological predictions end up having been correct.


The one point where I agree with him is that the Imperial College paper is quite bad, and that an unpublished, unreviewed paper should not have had so much sway.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 19 2020 07:22am
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Apr 19 2020 07:46am
Not the first one advocating about immunity voodoo because his country has a very low infection rate ATM.
They better continue like this because their icu capacity is the lowest in EU.
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Apr 19 2020 07:47am
Quote (dro94 @ Apr 19 2020 08:52am)
This is a really interesting piece that will make you question your preconceived notions of what is the correct government response to coronavirus

https://unherd.com/thepost/coming-up-epidemiologist-prof-johan-giesecke-shares-lessons-from-sweden/?=frpo


It certainly didn't feel mild for me :^(
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Quote (Jupe @ 19 Apr 2020 15:47)
It certainly didn't feel mild for me :^(


It was like... something potentially... hot ? ^_^
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 19 2020 09:51am)
It was like... something potentially... hot ? ^_^


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would replace green color by yellow imo
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