An 8-year old boy was intentionally pushed in front of an incoming train and died - saucy calls it "tabloid drama".

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 29 2019 08:16am

It's a drama, that i'm agree, but the way you are stretching it is a bit... Deplorable... And clueless. Merkel is out now in anyway.
You should know that your cherished AFD, if in charge, despite sucking russian dicks, would also never proceed serious measures to fix the problem: why biting the hand feeding them ?
No way to spread more chaos: how about waiting to know the mobile, the story ?

holy fuck. i'm usually not a violent person, but i don't think i could have contained myself, had i witnessed him deliberately murder a kid. true scum, individuals like that are the reason i generally (still not in practice though) don't mind capital punishment.

that being said, when a german politician gets murdered by one of your fellow nazis, when investigators uncover death lists of right wing terror cells, you're quiet. it's only ever when some scumback who happens to be brown / black or immigrant / refugee who does something terrible - then you post it here, trying to score political points. disgusting bigoted hack.

the difference between the cases is that the perpetrator's presence in the country can be traced to one particular political decision in the train case. this tragedy could easily have been prevented.

the Lübcke case was much harder to prevent since the perpetrator was already in the country (being a native German...) and had been radicalized for decades.

the reason why no one talked about the Lübcke case in this thread is presumably that there is nothing to discuss when it comes to that case. horrible act by a deplorable human being that has to be condemned in the strongest of terms. this piece of shit has taken a life in cold blood AND caused unmeasurable harm to "his" own political cause.

note: I do not consider nazis my "fellows" like you insinuate. actual nazis are abominable idiots and criminals. you and I of course disagree wildly when it comes to the scope of the term "nazi".

fender defending child murderers now because of race. the hatred of his ancestor goebbels truly flows through him

that whole argument 'could have been prevented had we just shut down our borders to brown people' is as disgusting as it is flawed: people from all over the world have been immigrating to germany long before merkel ever took office. if you wanted to make a serious (as in causal and logically coherent) argument, you'd have to prove that a specific policy of hers was directly responsible for him getting into germany even though it was reasonably possible to know he was (or would be) a (potential) threat, a violent criminal / murderer. THEN we could talk about some kind of political (not legal ofc) responsibility - but your argument (and the available information about this case) falls well short of that, so it's simply political hackery, motivated by obvious bigotry.

also, whenever i point out your and your fellow nazi's cherry picking, you resort to some sort of idiotic justification for it, as if there was anyone who disagreed that such crimes, when committed by migrants, were despicable acts. the lübcke murder, its political implications, its connections to the far right political movement in germany, the recent history of political murders by right wingers, all that is actually a much more relevant topic for political discussion than a random disgusting act by one individual with seemingly no political motivation. but of course you don't want to talk about that, about the toxic and violent environment that is the radical right in germay, and how it's on the rise thanks to people like you, willing to play down their crimes and providing them with a populist cover to hide behind...

OR more accurately, that such attacks are a reason to reevaluate immigration and especially assimilation processes.

you foolishly perceive anything as someone saying you're ok with the attacks themselves, because thats an easy strawman to knock down. when in reality the implication is that something politically needs to be done, which is a lot harder to justify as it means you're essentially responding "shit happens, no need to change anything".

that is completely wrong. i've advocated multiple times for more careful vetting, for stricter and standardised immigration criteria throughout the EU, and a fair distribution of refugees amongst its members - on this very forum.
i am not at all supportive of merkel's handling of the refugee crisis, quite the opposite, i was and still am very critical of it, especially of how little say the population had regarding her approach.

however, that does not justify political hackery of that degree. you can disagree, hold someone politically accountable (i didn't vote for her last time), and demand improved policies without cheaply and disgustingly blaming a child's death on one specific politician that you hate. just for the record, to reiterate what i stated in my last post: if it was reasonably possible to determine that this particular individual was a significant potential threat (and obviously i reject the bigot's approach of implying that someone's skin colour, country of origin, or religion alone constitutes such a threat) for something like that, i think it's fair to put increased focus on certain political decisions, but nothing we know about this case indicates that. so again, this was framed that way for political reasons - while actually politically motivated and relevant murders are ignored by the same bigoted hack...

This post was edited by fender on Jul 29 2019 10:06am

It's really simple: I advocate for an end to any kind of poverty migration, no matter the country of origin or color of the skin; and I advocate for a stop to the migration of people with a third world culture and socialization, except in cases of extraordinary merit. Humanitarian aid to refugees or victims of natural disaster should be provided - but exclusively in the region of the war/crisis/natural disaster, or as close to it as possible.

Therefore, an individual case-by-case assessment of the potential for violence would not be necessary for people from African or muslim countries.
Also note that criminal statistics show asylum seekers in Germany being vastly overrepresented amongst almost all sorts of violent crime, to a degree that cant be explained away by a higher share of young males or any other demographic factors. Cold hard numbers already show that these people are more prone to violent crime (also ones from non-war countries like Algeria, so "trauma by war" is not an adequate explanation) on aggregate, and the only logical explanation is the culture and environment in which these people grew up and were socialized. Since it is unrealistic to ever be able to identify and sort out he "foul apples", shutting down migration from such cultures is the only way of protecting our own people.






random invidiual act? according to the BKA (= German FBI), in the 2018 crime statistics alone, there were 27 Germans who were murdered by asylum seekers, compared to one asylum seeker murdered by Germans. there were 3261 cases of sexual violence with an asylum seeker as the perpetrator and a german victim, compared to 89 cases of sexual violence from germans against asylum seekers.
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article191584235/BKA-Lagebild-Gewalt-von-Zuwanderern-gegen-Deutsche-nimmt-zu.html

among the 47000 overall cases of violence (predominantly assault) against asylum seekers, german perpetrators made up 8400 (18%), while the remaining 38500 (82%) of these cases were committed by non-germans, mostly fellow asylum seekers.
tldr: statistically speaking, an asylum seeker is safer on a random german street than inside a refugee facility.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 29 2019 10:28am

so let me get this straight, you're using a bunch of carefully selected and framed statistics, complete myths, and loaded talking points ('poverty migration' / 'third world culture') that are impossible to verify or implement into actual policy, to claim that people from certain regions / majority religion states are such a great risk that we should stop migration from there altogether? even if you deluded your (totally not racist ofc) brain into thinking that was anywhere close to sane or realistic, it STILL doesn't make sense to specifically blame merkel for this particular murder since what you're suggesting to 'prevent' this would be a complete reversal of german policy regarding immigration and refugees of decades. you're justifying your disgusting hackery by advocating for a trump like, fear driven, bigoted, and misinformed immigration approach.

and even if i just go by the alarmist and carefully vetted narratives that make their rounds in right wing echo chambers, in order to generate fear and hate, and to portray asylum seekers as violent and criminal animals (while incidents are on a steady decline), it still seems quite the radical to not insist on more careful vetting, but rather a complete shutdown of our borders towards certain regions - but i guess the overwhelming majority of good people that seek asylum here are just out of luck under bigot rule...

and yes, this is a "random disgusting act by one individual" - what else would you describe it as? he seems to have acted alone (-> "one individual") and it was a seemingly arbitrary and despicable action (-> "random act") - except ofc you know of a particular motive or message he wanted to send that would change that evaluation. i seriously don't understand why this description triggers you.
you know what was not random, but politically motivated and planned? the murder that you don't want to talk about by your fellow nazis and refugee haters. they have similar 'policy proposals' and were so animated by lübcke (admittedly clumsily and dismissively) standing up for refugees that the murdered him, which was openly celebrated by afd brownshirts like yourself all over the internet...