No I'm stating the fact that innocent civilians will always be collateral in a large scale conflict.

People keep saying, "They should've spared the refugee center...They should've avoided hitting near schools and hospitals"

---These people (Not you) are people sitting at home in the luxuries of a 1st world country crying fake tears for people they don't give a shit about.

I think it's more pathetic when people say, "I care about what's happening over there and then proceed to do exactly what they were going to do anyway and go on with their life".

Take my Grandma for example. Lovely woman with a heart of gold but starts sending money to originations in Ukraine and probably as I type this is writing a check to somewhere in Gaza. She does it with the best intention but she's 88 years old and she's sitting in front of the TV and the commercials coming on are, "Do you care about the poor Palestinians" "With just 50 dollars you can make a world of a difference". While simultaneously the US sends billions to Israel.

Sorry if this doesn't make sense. My apologies trying to convey on the internet with no context is difficult for me.

I understand the sentiment that you’re conveying and largely agree. Have agreed with a lot of what you have said frankly. War sucks, there is no doubt civilians will die if getting rid of Hamas is the actual objective.

My question and main criticism is, what then? Apart from genocide, which many users here seem quite comfortable with, how do you actually dispose of the Hamas sentiment even after Hamas has been eradicated.

I think a part in answering this question is being honest with ourselves in why and how Hamas came to be in the first place, ie it was American and Israeli (Netanyahu) influence that rose Hamas to the position it’s in. Netanyahu going further to diminish the governing power of the diplomatic and pro 2 state solution PLO, directly interfering with Gaza elections that would have posed a threat to Hamas, etc. To me, these are actions with poor intentions, in other words bad faith actors.

Which brings me back the the original question, what comes next? I am not going to sit here and judge how Israel deals with Hamas because it’s a waste of time. It will be messy and there will be a loss of innocent life. I just hope that there is actual light at the end of the tunnel which will only be the case if there is recognition with how we got here in the first place.

And lastly I think it is terrible that the world we live in makes it so easy to become numb to actual cruelty. I am guilty as are the majority of us at some time or another. I did care about the Ukraine /Russia conflict initially, and then I had a kid , and then work got busy, and then xyz distraction. Same thing with this conflict tbh, I have gone through periods of genuine empathy follows by numbness, with this cycle repeating from time to time. This is the digital age and I’m not trying to make excuses for myself but I think people do care - but people become numb to it. The starving African commercials, if I see a commercial I do “care” in that moment, but fuck we are just so desensitized to that plight having witnessed it our entire lives. It is shitty, and maybe pathetic, as you put it, is the right word for it.

This post was edited by Bazi on Nov 1 2023 08:01pm

Never agreed with someone more. Well said. You covered all the bases with that post. Much appreciated!

If I had a solution I'd offer one but sadly I don't and even the best minds around the world don't necessarily know what to do and how can you blame them.

I do admit that the "puppets" we all call "leaders" and "presidents" are the worst representation of what human beings have to offer. The best people in the world can't fill the shoes of tyrants and people who've basically sold their soul for their own personal pursuits of "pleasure/power/admiration". I've met people randomly at a library who make more sense then "Joe Biden" and "Donald Trump" but when I say, "You should run for town mayor!" They just laugh it off like are you kidding me no one would support/vote for me.

Every person has a unique and powerful voice and more people should use it. In the age of social media it's easy to become desensitized like you mentioned and sadly the censorship we see now will only get worse. As much hateful crap that's been spewed in this thread it's still protected speech. I also can guarentee most of the "trolls" would never say what they say here in a conversation in real life. The fact that most people around me are more worried about the next cool Netflix show, football game, or just "party on" mentality is a problem. WW3 is right on the corner if not kicking in the front door and most people are laughing it off. When you are starving and there's no electricity because your country was hit by an EMP you are going to wish you were paying attention.

Hamas is propped up by Israel's opponents in the area, mainly Iran. Israel and its co-signers need to go forward with the abraham accords and stop allowing iran to use palestinian people as meat shields for their cause (complete destruction of Israel).

Iran wants Israel to look brutal in the eyes of the world with their response to Hamas, so the abraham accords can be canceled. This is obviously working to some degree as you can see sentiment in the west growing anti Israel especially with younger generations.

To answer what to do with Palestine isn't an easy one, otherwise there wouldn't be constant conflict in the area for 70+ years

Maybe ignorance is actually bliss. Here we are two strangers discussing world matters we have no control over. Maybe our friends are the winners here. I will say tongue in cheek that im thankful to be Born in America at a time where the world is so volatile, even if we have no shortage of issues, we are isolated from global conflicts.

Thinking about it, maybe it’s not pathetic that we become numb or desensitized to the worlds problems. If you truly soak it all in, I think it’s too much negativity to really handle, unless you’re in a position of power to do anything about it.

Going to bed , nice chat

Conflating sympathy for Palestinians with support of Hamas, like your original post did, is to severely distort the sentiment to the point where it is uncertain if it's the result of ignorance or will.

Yes I agree totally and posted this very sentiment a few weeks ago

But my point was throughout the time Netanyahu has been in power he has also served to prop up Hamas multiple times over the last decade. With the logic being Israel can benefit from an increasingly divided Palestine. This was done knowing Hamas was never in favor of a 2 state solution and has never been well intentioned. This was done knowing there is a more moderate PLO who could serve as a good faith actor, but eh fuck that

This post was edited by Bazi on Nov 1 2023 09:00pm

Your whole post was useless garbage basically claiming that "institutional anti-White racism, even by TOP USA Politicians, is Totally FINE because 'people talk shit'" or whatever. Remarkably brainless take.

I showed you YEARS of anti-White racist propaganda in the US media in just 3 images - but strangely it "did not convince" you because you can't read for 1 minute apparently.



False, as proven in the sea of evidence you rejected because of lazyness to skim through them with your eyes (sad). anti-White racism is open & institutional infact.



"some fringe insignificant edgelord", that just happens to be the US President, has so many anti-White racists in his base that he must racially discriminate against White mass murder victims to not displease said base, in just one in the sea of examples of most powerful USA people exploiting, CONDONING, COVERING UP blatant anti-White racism.

Racial revenge killings are a byproduct of unending anti-White propaganda waves and coverups of anti-White hate&murder by the highest echelons of society, like the one listed above.



Never claimed she got the promotion BECAUSE she OPENLY wants to shoot White people.

She got a promotion DESPITE openly wanting to SHOOT White people & DESPITE saying White lives dont matter. If you replace White with any other race, she would have been gone from her position faster than you can blink.



What context are you expecting from a pampered academic wanting to SHOOT White men & for believing White lives dont matter? haha!



Exactly the crazy sedated attitude that made anti-White racism so acceptable in the first place.

"Well duh ofcourse anti-White racism is only form of acceptable racism in the establishment today BUUUUUT its no big deal because ... ... because they exploit it for personal gain?"

Who will revive the corpses killed by the clowns which were radicalized by the amplification & exploitation by TOP Usa leftists of anti-White racism?



Uhuh, Sitting US President is so dependent on his anti-White racist base that he has to openly discriminate against White mass murder victims... but you, knowing this, still manage to claim that "the establishment probs don't even distinguish between those that vote 90% for them, and those, majority of which vote against them".
IMPRESSIVELY braindead take, that disregarded reality which was put under your eyes multiple times now.



Confessing that Top USA leftist politicos (& current sitting president) used an anti-White racist crime hoax to great effect, in a thinking persons brain, would probably signify that actually they care quite alot to exploit anti-White racism for personal gain.



This post was edited by HeLiCaL on Nov 1 2023 10:52pm

There is no versions
The arethrians fought between themselves.
Those who opposed their regime fought with those who support it.

Lmao wow this is unhinged, guess I hit a nerve.

Is there any normal Americans?



This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Nov 2 2023 12:22am