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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 22 2020 09:39am)
Any explanation why Trump is strongly against mail ballots ?


or why he ripped up the open skies treaty with russia?
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Quote (Goomshill @ May 22 2020 09:34am)
what are you even talking about? Do you not know what the phrase "two wrongs don't make a right" means?
That's "making excuses for Trump" in your mind?

You came in with some blithe whataboutism that had nothing to do with the subject


I said politicians telll lies and you start talking about trump's batting average.

Nobody cares about general bonespur's batting average or the fact he has never told a lie.

I'm not saying buy her book either I'm not sure what right i am defending. I never said other politicians are liars so buy her book lol.

If i was going to do whataboutism i would say something about novels being less important than tax releases so i don't think you really care about what is important or real.


Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 22 2020 09:39am)
Any explanation why Trump is strongly against mail ballots ?


More people will be able to vote and that dials back GOP voter suppression efforts by a decade.


Quote (Budgeting @ May 22 2020 09:43am)
or why he ripped up the open skies treaty with russia?


Don't know anything about that treaty.

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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 22 2020 09:39am)
Any explanation why Trump is strongly against mail ballots ?




I know the answer to that. They already caught the Dems forging absentee (mail in ballots) in 2018. Mail in ballots w/o any ID check is just like.... STOOOOOOOOPID! Can you say... the illegal alien vote? Can you say forged votes?





As for Trump and the economy, I think Trump is doing fine. Sure we took a massive hit from the corona virus, but still Trump has managed to suffer the drop and then keep it slowly rising, even "during" the coronavirus.









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Quote (Budgeting @ May 22 2020 09:43am)
or why he ripped up the open skies treaty with russia?



Actually, the Open Skies treaty is with 39 different countries. And he HAD to rip it up, if, as predicted, WE will need to violate it very soon... because of China.

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Quote (Budgeting @ May 22 2020 08:09am)
the delusion is so strong with you.

trade deals? have you ever actually gone into the nuances of the trade deal? You know one of his his problem with NAFTA Was the 270% dairy tariff to Canada- you realize that this is still there? The new deal gives 1% more access for imported US dairy to be exempt from the tariff. You are literally his target.

Explain how if Obama = bad he had consistent stock market gains and and unemployment trend downwards?

Under trump; highest market volatility, highest unemployment, even with his idiotic deregulation. You still cannot answer the question because you don't like the answer. Reduced income tax to increase consumption???? You know that economists did studies on the impact of the tax cut and found it added maybe .1% to the GDP? Went 2 trillion more in debt for basically nothing. Also, corporations used the tax break to buy back stock - no new investment.

When trump fails with his coronavirus response will you finally see reason?



Youre going to say he failed regardless of what happens. Your criteria are in fairyland.
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Quote (Ghot @ May 22 2020 09:45am)
I know the answer to that. They already caught the Dems forging absentee (mail in ballots) in 2018. Mail in ballots w/o any ID check is just like.... STOOOOOOOOPID! Can you say... the illegal alien vote? Can you say forged votes?





As for Trump and the economy, I think Trump is doing fine. Sure we took a massive hit from the corona virus, but still Trump has managed to suffer the drop and then keep it slowly rising, even "during" the coronavirus.




https://i.imgur.com/BQMTp8L.png




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Actually, the Open Skies treaty is with 39 different countries. And he HAD to rip it up, if, as predicted, WE will need to violate it very soon... because of China.


actually, that article he linked was for judicial votes and occured in 2014,2015,2016 - trump wasnt even in office and the guy was convicted. there is more evidence of GOP operatives committing all sorts of voter fraud in more recent history.

Trump votes by mail, vets vote by mail, and GOP states vote by mail - florida also just completed its investigation into vote-by-mail and determined there was no voter fraud.

Do you people actually believe this stuff?
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Quote (Ghot @ 22 May 2020 15:45)
I know the answer to that. They already caught the Dems forging absentee (mail in ballots) in 2018. Mail in ballots w/o any ID check is just like.... STOOOOOOOOPID! Can you say... the illegal alien vote? Can you say forged votes?
As for Trump and the economy, I think Trump is doing fine. Sure we took a massive hit from the corona virus, but still Trump has managed to suffer the drop and then keep it slowly rising, even "during" the coronavirus.
https://i.imgur.com/BQMTp8L.png
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- USA are in serious shit if your economical "predictions" are as good as your Covid-19 predictions (20k deads remember?)

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on May 22 2020 07:59am
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Quote (theCrossbones @ 22 May 2020 15:24)
Far from being the “Best economy ever”


It obviously isnt literally the best economy ever. But it was the best economy since the late 90s.
For a fair assessment, we also need to keep demographic potential in mind. In an aging society where increasingly large shares of the population are of retirement age, growth and laborforce participation face a demographic downward pressure.


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Trump continually says that, “the U.S. is experiencing the best economy ever.” This is obvious gaslighting since the new results show that President Trump’s best year of job growth was 2.314 million in 2018 (the first year of the tax cut) but it falls short of any of Obama’s last three years. His boasts also don’t stand up when you peel the onion on GDP growth and realize that the Federal deficits during his Presidency will exceed any that were not impacted by a recession.(this is from FORBES)
Forgive my stupid paint edits.. LOL

https://imgur.com/a/XQq6ksF.png


Got a proper source for the bolded claim? The chart you linked is more than dubious...



Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 22 May 2020 15:39)
Any explanation why Trump is strongly against mail ballots ?


Two reasons:

- He thinks it will increase overall turnout, and that low turnout is better for the GOP. This is a misguided fear since all evidence points to mail ballots not giving a partisan advantage to either side.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/there-is-no-evidence-that-voting-by-mail-gives-one-party-an-advantage/

- He is afraid of Democrats exploiting so-called "ballot harvesting", which has indeed hurt Republicans a ton in recent California elections where this technique is particularly wide-spread. But if mail voting was adopted by other states, they could regulate it so that ballot harvesting isnt possible. And even if it is possible, GOP operatives on the ground could mount their own ballot harvesting operation, now that they know they need to do it to keep up with the other side.

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Quote (Budgeting @ May 22 2020 09:56am)
actually, that article he linked was for judicial votes and occured in 2014,2015,2016 - trump wasnt even in office and the guy was convicted. there is more evidence of GOP operatives committing all sorts of voter fraud in more recent history.

Trump votes by mail, vets vote by mail, and GOP states vote by mail - florida also just completed its investigation into vote-by-mail and determined there was no voter fraud.

Do you people actually believe this stuff?














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Quote (EndlessSky @ May 22 2020 09:45am)
Youre going to say he failed regardless of what happens. Your criteria are in fairyland.


Considering I was using the 2 criteria that trump uses as a basis for his performance, i think you are the one living in fairyland lol....trump was destined to be a failure from day 1. why? because trump's inherent corrupt nature would always get the better of him.

trump university - sued and paid 25 million
trump charities - sued and paid millions with an admission of wrongdoing from trump himself.
trump businesses - 90% fail rate

why does he keep having to get bailed out by foreign countries? no US bank loans to him because he doesnt pay back....and this is not a pattern that concerns you?
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yes, so why don't you remove your head from your ass?
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