Please take the time to read this first post and vote in the poll if you haven't yet.

sounds like some good loot is about to drop from the skies. i'll take a couple bers and jahs myself

Not sure what you are talking about. I am certainly not the angry one here, but you seem to be and you like to constantly, falsely accuse me of being angry. Water Baptism isn't required for Salvation. It's something that's done as an act of obedience to Christ once we profess Faith in Him alone for Salvation. It's the same with Communion. They are both ordinances of God.

The Thief on the cross is only one example of a person being saved without water Baptism. Look at this passage. Not a drop of water.

Ac 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

You keep bringing up the ministry of Jesus and John to make your point. They were Ministering to Jews under Law, NOT Gentiles under Grace. There is a big difference, but you don't want to believe Paul's Writings. That is your error. Jesus sent Paul so by rejecting Paul, you are rejecting Jesus message to YOU.

Water being mentioned doesn't mean that it has saving power. Water is just a symbol of the Holy Spirit.

The Word Baptism comes from the word 907. baptizw baptizo, bap-tid'-zo
Search for 907 in KJV

from a derivative of 911; to immerse, submerge; to make whelmed (i.e. fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism:--Baptist, baptize, wash.


See Greek 911 (bapto)

So, then by this verse, what or who puts (Baptizes) a believer into Christ?

1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. {Gentiles: Gr. Greeks}

I never mocked WATER Baptism. I believe that a believer should be Baptized with water as an act of Obedience to show what Christ has done through His Holy Spirit. It's not abolished by Paul, but Paul explains very well that we aren't saved by anything other than Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ

Stop being angry with me and then falsely accusing me of being angry. I am confident in the Scriptures that I am not saved by water Baptism.

tried it once, this is what happened:



would not recommend.

Miley Cyrus has a whiney, annoying voice in my opinion.

The Christian views ARE backed by the Science and Based on the Word of God. I said that Scientifically, things can't exist on their own. No they can't. You're right! But we ALL know that they DO exist and the reason that they exist is because the God of the Bible created them OUTSIDE of the Laws of Science! He isn't bound by them. He proved that when Jesus Christ came to the earth, fulfilled over 100 Prophecies, Performed Miracles, Predicted His Own Death and Resurrection and THEN Died and Rose again as predicted. It doesn't take a rocket Scientist to understand that He really IS God in the flesh. I know Him personally. I don't need to lie to myself. YOU are the one who is lying to YOURSELF.

Atheism requires MORE Faith than Christianity. By FAITH you believe that Matter and Energy can come into existence contrary to the Laws of Science, WITHOUT God. That's FAITH. By FAITH you believe that Life can come from NON Life, contrary to the Laws of Science. That's FAITH. By FAITH you believe that Lower creatures can evolve into more complex creatures, CONTRARY to the Scientific Evidence. That's FAITH.

Isaiah DOES talk about the Birth of Jesus and that it will be by a virgin 700 years before the Birth of Christ:


Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. {shall call: or, thou, O virgin, shalt call}

Mt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. {they...: or, his name shall be called}
(KJV)

the scribes accused jesus of being a heretic for working on the sabbath which was forbidden by scriptural law. He gave a clever response to show people the spirit is living but the letter is dead.

if youre free in jesus why are you living by only the bible's dead letters? the soul is living agency to testify the truth, your life is then dedicated to exposing the synagogue of satan if nothing more or its made forfeit in the world that is betraying to your soul.
you can still choose truth or a cleverly guised old heaven lie, you needed to test the spirits to see if they are of god, and youll find that the bible is a broken compass you have to fix, not something you glorify as a paper idol.

you make a mockery of yourself by doing what youre doing, this is why the atheists dont respect christians often.

i encourage you to repent and see the thorn in your eye.

This post was edited by lodd222 on Jul 31 2023 07:33pm

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