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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 1 2021 07:57am)
No offense, but Biden is only marginally contributing to beating covid. The vaccines are doing the heavy lifting in this regard, and the country can thank the Trump admin for having secured enough doses early enough. Looking at the utter failure of the EU, this step was absolutely crucial and not trivial.


Except Trump's admin explicitly didn't secure enough doses early and passed on getting more doses earlier.

Trump's admin gets credit for submitting guaranteed orders to incentivize production, but ask yourself if that really matters. Like, there's a worldwide pandemic. You think if you've got the first vaccine you aren't going to have guaranteed orders?
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Quote (IceMage @ 1 Apr 2021 16:21)
Apart from school reopenings, I don't really have any complaints about Biden's response to COVID, whereas I had a million when it came to Trump. He's clearly more engaged and responsible than the former guy, and presidents get credit when good things happen on their watch.


I'm not complaining about Biden's handling of covid either, at least so far. It still has to be pointed out that Trump got at least something right on the issue; and not just a minor detail but one of the most important tasks of them all.
In my book, this upgrades his overall covid rating from an F+ to a D-.

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Except Trump's admin explicitly didn't secure enough doses early and passed on getting more doses earlier.

Trump's admin gets credit for submitting guaranteed orders to incentivize production, but ask yourself if that really matters. Like, there's a worldwide pandemic. You think if you've got the first vaccine you aren't going to have guaranteed orders?


If Trump didnt secure enough doses, why do the United States outpace every other nation which isnt tiny, 9m Israel right now? (The UK is kinda 'cheating' by only handing out the first dose.)
Fact is, there is a sufficient amount of doses coming to the American people every week, and these doses which are arriving right now were certainly not ordered by the Biden admin after inauguration day... :rolleyes:

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 1 2021 03:47pm
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 1 2021 04:46pm)
I'm not complaining about Biden's handling of covid either, at least so far. It still has to be pointed out that Trump got at least something right on the issue; and not just a minor detail but one of the most important tasks of them all.
In my book, this upgrades his overall covid rating from an F+ to a D-.

If Trump didnt secure enough doses, why do the United States outpace every other nation which isnt tiny, 9m Israel right now? (The UK is kinda 'cheating' by only handing out the first dose.)
Fact is, there is a sufficient amount of doses coming to the American people every week, and these doses which are arriving right now were certainly not ordered by the Biden admin after inauguration day... :rolleyes:


Except a significant amount of the currently approved vaccines were ordered under the Biden administration. In total Trump had ordered 100m of several different manufacturers vaccines. We only had enough ordered of approved vaccines after Biden increased the order in February by 200 million.

So, there were a lot of doses ordered by the Trump administration, but not enough and more had to be ordered under Biden.

Now, if I was a partisan hack I'd say that Trump wasted a ton of money by ordering 100m doses of several late-comer or not yet approved vaccine doses, but honestly I'd rather have a big spread approach to guarantee access and give away the rest. I'd just have preferred they ordered more earlier of the approved ones to get the vaccines out earlier.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ 1 Apr 2021 22:57)
Except a significant amount of the currently approved vaccines were ordered under the Biden administration. In total Trump had ordered 100m of several different manufacturers vaccines. We only had enough ordered of approved vaccines after Biden increased the order in February by 200 million.

So, there were a lot of doses ordered by the Trump administration, but not enough and more had to be ordered under Biden.

The bolded is untrue, Trump had ordered a total of 400m doses; 100m each from Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca and J&J.
The rest of your post is an incredibly disingenuous and misleading framing of what actually took place:

The contracts signed between the Trump admin and Pfizer/Moderna contained options for an additional 100m doses each. The options were obviously not used before the respective vaccines were approved. By the time these vaccines had been greenlit by the FDA in December, Trump was already a lame duck and didnt trigger these options anymore, then Biden took over and placed the orders. It seems exceedingly likely that a reelected president Trump would have exercised these options too.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/26/us-vaccine-latest-biden-increases-supplies
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The Biden administration is also planning to exercise an option to purchase 200m more vaccine doses, 100m from Pfizer/BioNTech and 100m from Moderna, the two producers with US emergency use authorization so far, through contracts first established by the Trump administration.

This would increase the government-purchased vaccine supply to 600m doses, enough to inoculate 300m people.


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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 1 Apr 2021 18:35)
The bolded is untrue, Trump had ordered a total of 400m doses; 100m each from Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca and J&J.
The rest of your post is an incredibly disingenuous and misleading framing of what actually took place:

The contracts signed between the Trump admin and Pfizer/Moderna contained options for an additional 100m doses each. The options were obviously not used before the respective vaccines were approved. By the time these vaccines had been greenlit by the FDA in December, Trump was already a lame duck and didnt trigger these options anymore, then Biden took over and placed the orders. It seems exceedingly likely that a reelected president Trump would have exercised these options too.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/26/us-vaccine-latest-biden-increases-supplies


So President Trump and various medical professionals defy the “expert” predictions (who said it would take a “miracle” for vaccines to be ready within a yeae), as multiple covid-19 vaccines were available before the end of 2020. Trump secures 400MM doses for Americans, with an option for 200MM more

Biden then claims there were “no covid-19 vaccines” when his administration started, even though he was on camera getting the first dose of covid-19 vaccination the prior year (so wtf was he injecting then?)

Somehow Biden is to be given credit for something he said didnt even exist :rofl:

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So President Trump and various medical professionals defy the “expert” predictions (who said it would take a “miracle” for vaccines to be ready within a yeae), as multiple covid-19 vaccines were available before the end of 2020. Trump secures 400MM doses for Americans, with an option for 200MM more

Biden then claims there were “no covid-19 vaccines” when his administration started, even though he was on camera getting the first dose of covid-19 vaccination the prior year (so wtf was he injecting then?)

Somehow Biden is to be given credit for something he said didnt even exist :rofl:


pfizer had not taken any money from operation warp speed in developing their vaccine. they were only partnered for distribution. trump's only contribution was politicizing the fda approval because he wanted the market to look good so he could take credit.

he had nothing to do with development of the actual vaccines.

trump did not order millions of doses, the companies who produced the vaccines have confirmed this themselves lmao.
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Quote (excellence @ Apr 1 2021 07:12pm)
So President Trump and various medical professionals defy the “expert” predictions (who said it would take a “miracle” for vaccines to be ready within a yeae), as multiple covid-19 vaccines were available before the end of 2020. Trump secures 400MM doses for Americans, with an option for 200MM more

Biden then claims there were “no covid-19 vaccines” when his administration started, even though he was on camera getting the first dose of covid-19 vaccination the prior year (so wtf was he injecting then?)

Somehow Biden is to be given credit for something he said didnt even exist :rofl:


Some people logic... One thing for sure we ain't all born equal.

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Whether or not you are allowed to speak your mind in the public sphere, or whether you have a right to a fair trial when accused, or whether government programs, spending, and jobs should be decided based explicitly on the color of your skin are important issues to most people. Infrastructure spending, wasteful pork aside, is not nearly as controversial.
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