research proves the outcome is racist, as in it disproportionately affects minorities.

why are you so afraid of facts?

go ahead, say the quiet part out loud, you think blacks are too uncultured to get IDs or lazy and that's skewing the research. then say out of the other side of your mouth ID laws arent racist.

are you telling me that in Norway ID laws dont negatively affect the .07% of black people that live there? color me shocked bud.

Welcome to 2020 where norms that are followed globally and no one has an issue with are racist in the US. Brought to you by team donkey and their woke minions.

What stats are you talking about by the way because the data i looked has fairly similar voting turnout patterns for both whites and blacks.

I'm on my 8th month waiting for my licence renewal in Canada. That's how slow this province is. You have to give up your old licence and they give you a piece of shit paper that looks like a receipt until yours comes in the mail.

Iv followed up so many times they just say they're behind.

It's fucking brutal.

It's not even a new licence! A renewal! If it was a new one I'm sure I'd be waiting two years.

Also its 103 dollars for a 5 year licence.... or 43 dollars for every 1 year if you do 1 year terms.

This post was edited by SBD on Sep 17 2020 02:13pm

The left in the United States would support voter ID if it were accessible and free. Democrats have long wanted a National ID card, which Republicans have long opposed as the antichrist beast system. I find it funny that they bloviate endlessly about voter ID, because they’d be the first to stop it if it actually came up for a vote. You’d have your Rand Pauls crying on the Senate floor about how the states should do it because a federal ID is tantamount to godless communism.

Drivers license? 8 months? That sounds messed. I renewed mine in 6 weeks last time.

I honestly don't understand why a national ID is needed. That's not much different than what the DMV already does. Most places an id card from the DMV is like 10-20 bucks. Yeah it's not running that well in the Covid environment but it's really not as bad as the anecdotes in this thread. It took a month and a half to get an appointment for my wife to swap her foreign licence for a US one during Covid. On the day it was a 2 hour ordeal.

Like fuck, a person can't be bothered to spend 20 bucks and an afternoon and get an ID as an adult? Are you for real? This is the argument? Common sense is that person doesn't give a fuck enough to get the ID, that's why they didn't get it, not some intricate plan to stop blacks from voting.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Sep 17 2020 02:24pm

Well i live next to a dude that doesn't eat on some days and i can see 20 bucks being a big deal to some people. Lot of poor people out there.

Yes, for real. A lot of people can’t do this. Pale pasty privileged yadda yadda.

Also your example of it taking a month and half for someone to get an appointment and time (and then you have to wait for it to be shipped)... so you’re basically saying it’s cool to tell people who should be able to vote to fuck off because they weren’t able to get to it until September.

Also the states already have their own voter ID laws. It’s literally already their realm. 33 states require it outright, and there’s already a federal law requiring state voter ID... the Help America Vote Act of 2002 requires voter ID for all new voters in federal elections who registered by mail and who did not provide a driver's license number or the last four digits of a Social Security number that was matched against government records. The only way to accomplish what Republicans claim to want is a national ID.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Sep 17 2020 02:30pm

So to review, whenever someone says "well in europe and elsewhere we do it this way" your response is "ridiculous, would never work here".

but now you're unironically doing the same thing?

as to stats im not sure what you're asking for. perhaps provide some stats that show when voter ID is required it doesnt disproportionately affect minorities, the scotus would like to see those stats.

A month and a half is during Covid. Before that you could literally walk in and out of a DMV and be set with no need for an appointment. Very few people get ID's just to vote right before an election. Vast majority of people get ID's because it's needed as an adult.




I'm just not buying that a standard practiced all over the world has suddenly become racist in the US.

Look at the first chart on there. These voter ID laws have been around for years it's not as if they just happened. If the premise was correct that voter ID laws cause blacks to show up at a lesser rate to vote then you'd see a significant less voter turnout from blacks vs whites, but they've essentially been the same for the last 20 years with some years a few more % white voting in other years a few more % black voting. I mean if we look at 2008 & 2012, when you had higher % black turnout, voter ID was a thing then as well, but somehow ID's wasn't an issue back then?

http://www.electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/demographics