Quote (IceMage @ 30 Mar 2021 15:46)

Let's clarify something... are you opposed to what Biden did? If so, why? Are you simply opposing it because you think myself and others are being hypocritical?

This is childish thinking. Just because I care about norms, like a presidential candidate and president releasing his tax returns, or divesting himself from his businesses, or not owning a hotel right next to the White House where foreigners stay, or not firing Inspectors General who blew the whistle on his corrupt behavior, or not firing an FBI director because he won't close an investigation into you, or not acting like an angry teenage girl on Twitter, doesn't mean I view all norm-defying behavior equally. Not all broken norms should be thought of equally, and not all norm-breaking is bad. My guess is you would applaud an American president breaking the norm of American soldiers in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria. Trump broke a norm by appearing at the March For Life rally... and even though he's an evil man, I'd like for more presidents to break that norm. I was open to Trump meeting with the North Korean leader, even though it was norm-breaking. Sometimes shaking things up makes sense... but there's a lot of norms that are important, and make sense.

My guess is if Trump had done this so early in his administration, the reaction from his supporters would be "he's shaking things up... the foreign policy establishment has failed us".

If this board is part of the establishment, and Biden is part of the establishment, what's the big deal? Maybe he's trying to shake things up and get some fresh ideas from new people. It's not like this is some powerful part of the government... my guess is all they do is meet rarely and make some recommendations.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 30 2021 10:58am)

I'm less agitated by what Biden did here than I am by the hypocrisy from Trump's detractors and/or Biden's cheerleaders. (Unfortunately, the overlap between these two groups is really high...)

The relevance I see is that members of this board were disagreeing with Biden's policies; even the ones who predate Trump and were appointed by Obama/Bush. Coupled with the silly antics around not admitting publicly that the crisis at the border is indeed a crisis, and coupled with blocking journalists and visitors from inspecting the facilities holding unaccompanied minors, it really rubs me the wrong way when dissenting voices in the advisory board are silenced/pushed out of their position and replaced with Mayorkas-loyalists. Basically, my rationale is that there must be something fishy going on if the admin is expending that much effort to keep its handling of the border shrouded in secrecy.

The examples you gave in your middle paragraph make sense btw, thanks for clarifying. :)

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 30 2021 09:58am)

I'm less agitated by what Biden did here than I am by the hypocrisy from Trump's detractors and/or Biden's cheerleaders. (Unfortunately, the overlap between these two groups is really high...)

The relevance I see is that members of this board were disagreeing with Biden's policies; even the ones who predate Trump and were appointed by Obama/Bush. Coupled with the silly antics around not admitting publicly that the crisis at the border is indeed a crisis, and coupled with blocking journalists and visitors from inspecting the facilities holding unaccompanied minors, it really rubs me the wrong way when dissenting voices in the advisory board are silenced/pushed out of their position and replaced with Mayorkas-loyalists. Basically, my rationale is that there must be something fishy going on if the admin is expending that much effort to keep its handling of the border shrouded in secrecy.

The examples you gave in your middle paragraph make sense btw, thanks for clarifying. :)

Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 30 2021 11:41am)

Biden has like 50 years of being bland. That's why he gets a pass where Trump didn't. If he appoints partisan hacks to the positions then sure, that's a problem. But until he does that we don't have a reason to assume his intentions because, again, we have 50 years of bland.

Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 30 2021 02:23pm)

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/wapo-fact-checkers-slam-biden-for-georgia-election-law-claims-four-pinocchios/

Biden has repeatedly claimed that Georgia's new election law restricts voting hours. Given that this is clearly and obviously untrue, it has led many to give Biden the benefit of the doubt and assume that this was his senility speaking. Subsequently, however, "...this same claim popped up in an official presidential statement."

While Biden had an opportunity to present a picture of unity, the far left rhetoric and intentional misrepresentations are adding up. He will likely be a one-term president and the Democratic party will endure steep losses in both 2022 and 2024.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 30 2021 03:50pm)

:rofl:

I love how thin your partisan bias is here. Biden criticises a voter suppression law and misstates on what method of suppression and hes missing out on unity and obviously senile.

If dems lose in 2024 it will be due to the massove voter suppression, not because your partisan hackery.

Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 30 2021 03:02pm)

This is frankly a terrible take.

Biden misrepresented what the law does by claiming it does exactly the opposite. He then reiterated that misrepresentation in an official statement. It is very reasonable to hold him to account for stirring up racial animus for political advantage.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 30 2021 04:07pm)

Sure, but you're not doing it to make a legitimate criticism or we would have heard this kind of thing non stop for 5 years. You're attempting to frame Biden as senile and unfit and that is why you phrased it the way you did. It's plainly obvious in your post the framing is more important than the actual criticism.

Quote (bogie160 @ 30 Mar 2021 16:12)

I will not be the first or last person to joke about Biden's mental acuity. He should probably make fewer mistakes if it really bothers him.

My criticism is that Biden is clearly lying about the law to stir up racial animus, and he should be held to account.

There were many posters available willing to hold our President to account in the last 4 years for his many documented mistruths. Now that job has seemingly fallen to me.