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Jan 12 2023 12:02pm
Quote (Santara @ Jan 12 2023 02:42am)
Pay for it out of pocket. It's amazing how cheap healthcare used to be before the government and insurance companies got involved in it.

What's your statist take on taxation? How much is too much?


no, private insurance companies are the problem with healthcare costs, not the government. private profiteering in healthcare results in tremendous bloat and decreased quality of care, just look at how much we pay vs what we get compared to the rest of the developed world. it doesnt make any sense whatsoever. who would regulate healthcare in a "free market"? would you let healthcare providers regulate themselves? less regulation opens the door for more monopolistic practices which hurts the quality of care. as the last 20 years have shown in the USA, less regulation is not better. self-regulation is a libertarian "free market" myth. it ultimately leads to corruption, fraud, and a complete lack of transparency. deregulation directly caused the financial collapse of 2008 and guess who foot the bill to bailout the banks? we did with our tax money. I think healthcare is one sector where it would be extremely dangerous for there not to be any government oversight.

as for taxes, I believe the system that we had under FDR was the best this country ever had. if that makes me a "statist" then so be it!
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no, private insurance companies are the problem with healthcare costs, not the government. private profiteering in healthcare results in tremendous bloat and decreased quality of care, just look at how much we pay vs what we get compared to the rest of the developed world. it doesnt make any sense whatsoever. who would regulate healthcare in a "free market"? would you let healthcare providers regulate themselves? less regulation opens the door for more monopolistic practices which hurts the quality of care. as the last 20 years have shown in the USA, less regulation is not better. self-regulation is a libertarian "free market" myth. it ultimately leads to corruption, fraud, and a complete lack of transparency. deregulation directly caused the financial collapse of 2008 and guess who foot the bill to bailout the banks? we did with our tax money. I think healthcare is one sector where it would be extremely dangerous for there not to be any government oversight.

as for taxes, I believe the system that we had under FDR was the best this country ever had. if that makes me a "statist" then so be it!


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I dont think conservatives would enjoy being hunted by 'illegals'
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Quote (gnarjay @ Jan 12 2023 07:02pm)
no, private insurance companies are the problem with healthcare costs, not the government. private profiteering in healthcare results in tremendous bloat and decreased quality of care, just look at how much we pay vs what we get compared to the rest of the developed world. it doesnt make any sense whatsoever. who would regulate healthcare in a "free market"? would you let healthcare providers regulate themselves? less regulation opens the door for more monopolistic practices which hurts the quality of care. as the last 20 years have shown in the USA, less regulation is not better. self-regulation is a libertarian "free market" myth. it ultimately leads to corruption, fraud, and a complete lack of transparency. deregulation directly caused the financial collapse of 2008 and guess who foot the bill to bailout the banks? we did with our tax money. I think healthcare is one sector where it would be extremely dangerous for there not to be any government oversight.

as for taxes, I believe the system that we had under FDR was the best this country ever had. if that makes me a "statist" then so be it!


I remember a few years ago when the UK decided to open the market of train transport.

Service went immediately into shit and prices bumped like 50% higher.

But sometimes a bit of competition is good.

Notice than there is a free market in electricity price in europe and we now see how good a "free market" is for the customers lmao

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Jan 13 2023 05:42pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Jan 12 2023 12:02pm)
no, private insurance companies are the problem with healthcare costs, not the government. private profiteering in healthcare results in tremendous bloat and decreased quality of care, just look at how much we pay vs what we get compared to the rest of the developed world. it doesnt make any sense whatsoever. who would regulate healthcare in a "free market"? would you let healthcare providers regulate themselves? less regulation opens the door for more monopolistic practices which hurts the quality of care. as the last 20 years have shown in the USA, less regulation is not better. self-regulation is a libertarian "free market" myth. it ultimately leads to corruption, fraud, and a complete lack of transparency. deregulation directly caused the financial collapse of 2008 and guess who foot the bill to bailout the banks? we did with our tax money. I think healthcare is one sector where it would be extremely dangerous for there not to be any government oversight.

as for taxes, I believe the system that we had under FDR was the best this country ever had. if that makes me a "statist" then so be it!


Yeah.... no.

https://mises.org/wire/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive
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Quote (Santara @ Jan 13 2023 03:42pm)


of course you'd link a right-wing libertarian institutional study for your reply :rofl:
find me a non-biased study and we can talk. or how about you give me some of your own opinions?
I can link myriad studies that show the opposite

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