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Apr 17 2020 11:01am
Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 17 2020 12:41pm)
sure, that's all true, i was being hyperbolic. but do you think 30-40 year olds in the USA today would line up to buy war bonds? or donate scrap metal to fund the war effort? or even sit quietly while their children are drafted into a world war?

no, of course not. my point was we're, in 2 generations time, incomparably more selfish.


Yes people still do all of that, just with different names attached. Now instead of funding for blowing people up its to specific organizations trying to help specific people, or maybe just donating towards someones kickstarter because you think they deserve to have their dreams come true. Someone posts on facebook about economic hardship because of cancer and they get 25k from people they've never met, happens every single day.

The draft part has definitely changed, but thats because technology has made that pretty unnecessary.

Average people were barely even being taxed before 1918 as well, and federal expenditures were low as hell, so they probably didn't mind giving away some amount of money. I don't think people magically got more selfish, they just appear more selfish on a surface level examination.

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Yes people still do all of that, just with different names attached. Now instead of funding for blowing people up its to specific organizations trying to help specific people, or maybe just donating towards someones kickstarter because you think they deserve to have their dreams come true. Someone posts on facebook about economic hardship because of cancer and they get 25k from people they've never met, happens every single day.

The draft part has definitely changed, but thats because technology has made that pretty unnecessary.

Average people were barely even being taxed before 1918 as well, and federal expenditures were low as hell, so they probably didn't mind giving away some amount of money. I don't think people magically got more selfish, they just appear more selfish on a surface level examination.


so if i said that Trump could hypothetically make an order to shut down the entire country for 2-4 weeks (would have been done months ago now) to stop the spread you think people would have unselfishly abided by the order?

and as to growing selfishness i dont think it was magical, i think the biggest factor is social media. everyone is their own celebrity sharing their "important" thoughts even if they only get 20 likes and 5 comments compared to a celeb's 20k likes and 500 comments.
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so if i said that Trump could hypothetically make an order to shut down the entire country for 2-4 weeks (would have been done months ago now) to stop the spread you think people would have unselfishly abided by the order?

and as to growing selfishness i dont think it was magical, i think the biggest factor is social media. everyone is their own celebrity sharing their "important" thoughts even if they only get 20 likes and 5 comments compared to a celeb's 20k likes and 500 comments.


No there will always be people who don't buy into something in masse, even your warbonds example, only like half the country bought them.
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Apr 17 2020 11:28am
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No there will always be people who don't buy into something in masse, even your warbonds example, only like half the country bought them.


you've made a lot of good points, however i still think people are far more selfish 2 generations removed.
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you've made a lot of good points, however i still think people are far more selfish 2 generations removed.


Maybe, I feel like you're confusing vain with selfish though, at least in regards to social media. Narcissism is by far through the roof in comparison to generations past.
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Apr 17 2020 11:38am
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Maybe, I feel like you're confusing vain with selfish though, at least in regards to social media. Narcissism is by far through the roof in comparison to generations past.


that for sure could be, could also be that narcissism leads to selfishness naturally. even a lot of the gofundme donations i think are to make people feel like they're good rather than coming from an earnest place. ive heard many people humble brag about donating lol.
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When in doubt, find a celebrity psychiatrist with little to no experience in the field of epidemiology or immunology to gaslight the nation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/17/dr-phil-fauci-coronavirus/


lol "Mr Phil" instead of Dr is starting to be used. god i love the internet.
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lol "Mr Phil" instead of Dr is starting to be used. god i love the internet.


Yeah, it's trending on Twitter. LOL.
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I knew the numbers were looking too good
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