d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate >
Poll > Official Presidential Debate Thread
Prev1394041424352Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
  Guests cannot view or vote in polls. Please register or login.
Member
Posts: 53,368
Joined: Sep 2 2004
Gold: 57.00
Sep 30 2020 12:15pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 30 Sep 2020 13:52)
Wallace: ... I'm asking you a question. Will you tell us how much you paid in federal income taxes in 2016 and 2017?
Trump: Millions of dollars.
Wallace: You paid millions of dollars?
Trump: Millions of dollars, yes.
Wallace: So not $750?
Trump: Millions of dollars and you'll get to see it -- and you'll get to see it.

So WP or Trump are lying ?

NYT themselves reported he paid millions to the treasury in 2016 and 2017

Member
Posts: 64,763
Joined: Oct 25 2006
Gold: 0.00
Sep 30 2020 12:18pm
Just found out the proud boys lawyer was a part of a skinhead group in college, got raided, had a copy of the turner diaries.
Member
Posts: 50,915
Joined: Jan 20 2010
Gold: 5,335.99
Sep 30 2020 12:19pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 30 2020 01:04pm)
The tests you're describing haven't been done in an unbiased way


Yes they have, and I'm not going to bother with your cherry picked inanities.
The gold standards for IQ testing have been Raven's Progressive Matricies, Stanford-Binet 5, Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale 5, Woodcock Johnson III and a whole host of other IQ tests. They have been designed by progressive sociologists to bend over backwards to account for every possible bias and take extraordinary lengths to be culturally/linguistically normalized or be entirely nonverbal like RPM. There is no magic 'gotcha' bias that you can point to like you're some freshman in college who thinks he's outsmarted the professor. There's an entire field of psychometrics filled with accomplished scientists who have pored over IQ testing methodology to try to isolate and eliminate sources of bias.
And The Bell Curve accurately states the conclusions of modern psychometrics- that IQ results are stratified by race.

The Bell Curve doesn't make any conclusion about nature vs nurture and the causation, it doesn't declare genetics the root cause. You can look to more controversial scientists like Rushman for that speculation. The Bell Curve simply states the well evidenced fact that the stratification exists, and the testing repeatedly shows this and you'd have to cook up the most hilariously biased testing like 'street smarts' and 'personality' in order to offset that.
Member
Posts: 61,688
Joined: Mar 14 2006
Gold: 28.77
Sep 30 2020 12:19pm
Quote (excellence @ Sep 30 2020 11:15am)
NYT themselves reported he paid millions to the treasury in 2016 and 2017

https://i.ibb.co/Wt3HJ94/97612855-33-A8-44-E4-9030-7247-F75-C1454.jpg



So , just like me and every other business owner, he pays quarterly estimated taxes. But, unlike millions of business owners like me, he got almost all of it except $750 back.
Member
Posts: 53,368
Joined: Sep 2 2004
Gold: 57.00
Sep 30 2020 12:21pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ 30 Sep 2020 14:19)
So , just like me and every other business owner, he pays quarterly estimated taxes. But, unlike millions of business owners like me, he got almost all of it except $750 back.
he did not get any of the $5.2M cash paid in federal income taxes to the IRS back, it says it right there in the NYT article

This post was edited by excellence on Sep 30 2020 12:24pm
Member
Posts: 57,901
Joined: Dec 3 2008
Gold: 286.00
Sep 30 2020 12:29pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 30 2020 02:18pm)
Just found out the proud boys lawyer was a part of a skinhead group in college, got raided, had a copy of the turner diaries.


One of the leaders of the brown shirts is racist?

This post was edited by Skinned on Sep 30 2020 12:29pm
Member
Posts: 54,184
Joined: May 26 2005
Gold: 4,945.67
Sep 30 2020 12:29pm
Does it really matter if the Proud Boys are a white supremacy group? They are clearly xenophobic and misogynistic. They happily admit this themselves. Shouldnt that easily be enough to discredit them and make sure that they dont have majority appeal? :huh:
Or are liberals secretly scared that the Proud Boys' position of "white/black/brown/yellow men united in favor of Western civilization and united against any efforts to change it" might actually have broad appeal?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 30 2020 12:30pm
Member
Posts: 64,763
Joined: Oct 25 2006
Gold: 0.00
Sep 30 2020 12:29pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 30 2020 01:19pm)
Yes they have, and I'm not going to bother with your cherry picked inanities.
The gold standards for IQ testing have been Raven's Progressive Matricies, Stanford-Binet 5, Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale 5, Woodcock Johnson III and a whole host of other IQ tests. They have been designed by progressive sociologists to bend over backwards to account for every possible bias and take extraordinary lengths to be culturally/linguistically normalized or be entirely nonverbal like RPM. There is no magic 'gotcha' bias that you can point to like you're some freshman in college who thinks he's outsmarted the professor. There's an entire field of psychometrics filled with accomplished scientists who have pored over IQ testing methodology to try to isolate and eliminate sources of bias.
And The Bell Curve accurately states the conclusions of modern psychometrics- that IQ results are stratified by race.

The Bell Curve doesn't make any conclusion about nature vs nurture and the causation, it doesn't declare genetics the root cause. You can look to more controversial scientists like Rushman for that speculation. The Bell Curve simply states the well evidenced fact that the stratification exists, and the testing repeatedly shows this and you'd have to cook up the most hilariously biased testing like 'street smarts' and 'personality' in order to offset that.


Please reference these studies where they did all of this in an unbiased manner.

All you've referenced in the past is the bell curve which has been shredded and isn't peer reviewed and I've described their garbage methodology multiple times.

I'm Glad though that you're now backing off it being based on race, because if it isn't nature, it's nurture, which means its social influence and not based on race but on environmental factors that we sort by race.
Member
Posts: 50,915
Joined: Jan 20 2010
Gold: 5,335.99
Sep 30 2020 12:42pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 30 2020 01:29pm)
Please reference these studies where they did all of this in an unbiased manner.

All you've referenced in the past is the bell curve which has been shredded and isn't peer reviewed and I've described their garbage methodology multiple times.


Here's a whole bunch of studies showing stratification by race;
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0022440587900355
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2014-54243-005
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/20060619_iq.pdf
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/j/jencks-gap.html?_r=1
https://nrcgt.uconn.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/953/2015/04/rm04204.pdf
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0160289688900293
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-black-white-test-score-gap-why-it-persists-and-what-can-be-done/
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/fryer/files/testing_for_racial_differences_in_the_mental_ability_of_young_children.pdf

Quote

I'm Glad though that you're now backing off it being based on race, because if it isn't nature, it's nurture, which means its social influence and not based on race but on environmental factors that we sort by race.


You're conflating two different concepts.
Saying that the races have stratified results is not the same thing as saying its based on nature, not nurture.
Racial demographics have disparate social conditions like culture, schooling and parenting that can produce different results- nurture.
The Bell Curve very explicitly stated it is not drawing any firm conclusion on the role of nature vs nurture as a cause, while acknowledging that evidence supports it being at least partially responsible.
They are quite clear:

Quote
If the reader is now convinced that either the genetic or environmental explanation has won out to the exclusion of the other, we have not done a sufficiently good job of presenting one side or the other. It seems highly likely to us that both genes and environment have something to do with racial differences. What might the mix be? We are resolutely agnostic on that issue; as far as we can determine, the evidence does not yet justify an estimate.
Member
Posts: 57,901
Joined: Dec 3 2008
Gold: 286.00
Sep 30 2020 12:53pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 30 2020 02:42pm)
Here's a whole bunch of studies showing stratification by race;
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0022440587900355
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2014-54243-005
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/20060619_iq.pdf
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/j/jencks-gap.html?_r=1
https://nrcgt.uconn.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/953/2015/04/rm04204.pdf
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0160289688900293
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-black-white-test-score-gap-why-it-persists-and-what-can-be-done/
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/fryer/files/testing_for_racial_differences_in_the_mental_ability_of_young_children.pdf



You're conflating two different concepts.
Saying that the races have stratified results is not the same thing as saying its based on nature, not nurture.
Racial demographics have disparate social conditions like culture, schooling and parenting that can produce different results- nurture.
The Bell Curve very explicitly stated it is not drawing any firm conclusion on the role of nature vs nurture as a cause, while acknowledging that evidence supports it being at least partially responsible.
They are quite clear:


His post seems to have went over your head.
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1394041424352Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll