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Sep 9 2019 05:03pm
Serious question: why the heck would Trump kick him off the 2020 ticket anyway? I dont see an obvious replacement, and I dont think Trump could have asked for a more loyal VP.
God knows Pence didnt have it easy constantly biting his tongue on the latest "controversy of the week", or being sent on a diplomatic mission to clean up Trump's mess time and time again...
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Sep 9 2019 05:08pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 9 2019 04:03pm)
Serious question: why the heck would Trump kick him off the 2020 ticket anyway? I dont see an obvious replacement, and I dont think Trump could have asked for a more loyal VP.
God knows Pence didnt have it easy constantly biting his tongue on the latest "controversy of the week", or being sent on a diplomatic mission to clean up Trump's mess time and time again...


christian republican robot that let's the right pretend there is some sort of integrity in the administration

no reason to replace him and nobody better anyway as long as he continues to not have any scandals which he more than likely won't

he was a smart choice originally and continues to be heading into 2020
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Sep 9 2019 05:20pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 9 2019 07:03pm)
Serious question: why the heck would Trump kick him off the 2020 ticket anyway? I dont see an obvious replacement, and I dont think Trump could have asked for a more loyal VP.
God knows Pence didnt have it easy constantly biting his tongue on the latest "controversy of the week", or being sent on a diplomatic mission to clean up Trump's mess time and time again...


Trump sours on almost everybody over time, because he creates a bunch of problems and they aren't able to solve them. And politically, he probably feels secure with the Christian right, but not with suburban women. So someone like Nikki Haley would be appealing.

Also worth noting that as Trump has gone along through his presidency, he's become less constrained. He's more willing to go with his gut and ignore his advisers. And while he demands loyalty, he doesn't return it. I'd still bet on Pence remaining on the ticket, but if Nikki wants to join Trump, there's a decent chance she will. And Pence would make the departure amicable because he's a spineless coward who wants to run for president when he gets the chance.

This post was edited by IceMage on Sep 9 2019 05:21pm
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Sep 9 2019 05:37pm
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christian republican robot that let's the right pretend there is some sort of integrity in the administration

no reason to replace him and nobody better anyway as long as he continues to not have any scandals which he more than likely won't

he was a smart choice originally and continues to be heading into 2020


He has been able to stomach Trump because he is programmed to.
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Sep 9 2019 06:25pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/us/politics/cia-informant-russia.html

More important story than Trump's daily neurosis. The CIA apparently lost one of it's best assets in Russia in 2017.
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Trump sours on almost everybody over time, because he creates a bunch of problems and they aren't able to solve them. And politically, he probably feels secure with the Christian right, but not with suburban women. So someone like Nikki Haley would be appealing.

Also worth noting that as Trump has gone along through his presidency, he's become less constrained. He's more willing to go with his gut and ignore his advisers. And while he demands loyalty, he doesn't return it. I'd still bet on Pence remaining on the ticket, but if Nikki wants to join Trump, there's a decent chance she will. And Pence would make the departure amicable because he's a spineless coward who wants to run for president when he gets the chance.


I get the logic, but realistically - Haley quite clearly wants to run for president herself at some point in the future (be it 2024 or 2028), and to me seems to deliberately keep some distance between herself and the Trump administration.

She jumped ship at a point in time where she can, 8 years from now, make a believable case along the lines of "I tried to serve my country, most people thought I did a good job while I was there, but it soon became clear to me that I just could not support the direction/scandals/xenophobia/dilettantism of that administration".
If she decides to run as Trump's VP, she'd be forever "tarnished". If she becomes Trump's running mate now, her only chance at ever becoming president is if she sneaks into the WH kitchen and pours extra grease and salt on Trump's french fries...

I just dont see it happening. Also, she seems to have more of a spine than Pence, and would definitely fall out with Trump sooner rather than later. In terms of electoral strategy, Haley as VP would make a ton of sense. But in terms of the personal chemistry and of her own career ambitions, it's just not a good idea.

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Sep 9 2019 07:12pm
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christian republican robot that let's the right pretend there is some sort of integrity in the administration

no reason to replace him and nobody better anyway as long as he continues to not have any scandals which he more than likely won't

he was a smart choice originally and continues to be heading into 2020


He should pick nikki haley
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Sep 9 2019 07:31pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Sep 9 2019 06:12pm)
He should pick nikki haley


I see no reason to

I know why he would but I don't see it being worth it (but that also doesn't mean it's a bad move)

she's fine as an individual but she won't do shit for the ticket or change the situation much at all

personally I don't think she'll ever get to where she could have if the timeline lined up for her better. I dunno what she wants to do but I highly doubt she'll ever be President or VP.
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Quote (Beowulf @ 10 Sep 2019 03:31)
I see no reason to

I know why he would but I don't see it being worth it (but that also doesn't mean it's a bad move)

she's fine as an individual but she won't do shit for the ticket or change the situation much at all

personally I don't think she'll ever get to where she could have if the timeline lined up for her better. I dunno what she wants to do but I highly doubt she'll ever be President or VP.


she's just 47 years old. she still has plenty of time to get there. it's just that she needs to get into elected office again, say as a senator, to have a good base for running for P.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 10 2019 03:00am)
she's just 47 years old. she still has plenty of time to get there. it's just that she needs to get into elected office again, say as a senator, to have a good base for running for P.


Republicans arent going back any time soon.

Trumpy jr and Crenshaw are going to take over the trump army
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