nice try. trump isnt celebrating the deal, he's just flattering the other side while bragging about his own success. he's giving the other side a sign of trust and confirmation and encouragement. if he were to naively follow this flattering tweet with according action, your critique would be justified. but for now, it's just words.





again, nice try. as I said before: there's a very simple and consistent template for judging trump's tweets: "are there actions, or statements from players other than trump, that align with what he tweeted?" - if yes: take the tweet seriously; if no: ignore it.

but I guess that's a way too complicated pattern/rule of thumb...
better post a sarcastic comment about how oh-so inconsistent all dem stupid trump cultists are when they take his tweets "seriously but not literally". how could such a concept possibly make sense? "schrödingers tweet" my ass.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 13 2018 08:05pm

No harm yet?

It's not ludicrous. It's about leverage.

He used leverage very well to make the summit happen, but hasn't been using it well in its aftermath.



This point is debatable.



This assertion is obviously true. Politically speaking, it would be biggest foreign policy achievement in more than 50 years.



This is not true. Historically speaking, Presidents are judged on what they do with their oppurtunities.

Additionally, Trump could be creating false expectations of denuclearization for the American public. That would be a political loss in the same vein of Mission Accomplished.



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Ok, lemme understand this. So if NK doesn't denuke, then Trump gets no credit for being the 1st president to get a sitdown with the NK leader?
And even further he gets blamed for not taking advantage of an opportunity that you won't even give him credit for achieving?

As for the premature celebration, Trump always does this. It hasn't harmed anything yet, I doubt it will. I mean it shocked people at first, but they got used to it.

Why is getting a sit down with kim a big deal?
Dennis rodman has done it three times.

If NK doesn't de-nuke, he only gets credit for sitting down and talking, which by itself isn't much of an accomplishment since it didn't do anything. He might get more credit in the future if, even though he doesn't get them to de-nuke, another president uses the relationship he started to get them to de-nuke.

Similarly, if Kim comes out tomorrow and says "Actually, Donald was a dick. Fuck him" and no president ever gets to meet again, he would get the blame for fucking up relations.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jun 13 2018 08:25pm

Fucking up what relations? The relations when Kim Jong was threatening to nuke us?

Trump gets credit for the sit down, whether it works or not. He's the only one to manage it. Put on your big boy pants and at least give Trump 'unconditonal' credit for that.
If you can't then you're biased against trump. Simple as that.

I think he deserves credit for the sitdown, but if North Korea doesn't denuclearize within the context of him prematurely celebrating that fact, then yes, it will be seen a gaffe historically speaking.

I think Ben Shapiro nailed this topic. This move is probably either a masterstroke or a debacle. Make no mistake, the US gave up something by legitimizing the North Korean regime and lavishing as much praise on Kim as we did, so we better get something in return.

Ah, now we're making at least a bit of sense. I disagree with what you said, but at least I see where you have a point.
Let's say it turns out to be a debacle. What did the US give up by 'temporarily' legitimatizing NK?

Really not that much. I mean Kim may think it was something, but I hope you won't. If you do think it was something, then Kim DID win. ^^