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Jul 27 2018 11:19am
Quote (Horford @ Jul 27 2018 11:14am)
obviously there's a lot of resemblance there, but I can cherry pick pictures too:

http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/politics/2018/06/03/after-roseannes-racist-tweet-obama-ally-valerie-jarrett-seizes-political-opportunity/_jcr_content/par/featured_image/media-0.img.jpg/931/524/1528015788882.jpg

copy & paste that link (the link is long but it does work, and it's from Fox News too so good luck trying to say some liberal-minded person shared that picture), if you don't think VJ (to quote you directly) "doesn't look black", than you must think Obama doesn't look black either...

you're accusing me of trying to do things to fit a narrative when you're doing exactly the same with that VJ/Planet of the Apes picture you posted... lol... a little hypocritical, no?


Quote (Horford @ Jul 27 2018 11:15am)
and let's be real... does "Valerie Jarrett" sound like Muslim name? Roseanne is definitely lying out the a hole to save face.

dear god... common sense is dead around here.


i've said multiple times now that roseanne is likely pivotting to the Middle eastern bullshit to not look anti-black racist. why are you so bad at reading?

i'm hypocritically following a narrative? please direct me ot the people claiming that she's not anti-black racist only in this very specific context but instead ignorantly anti-muslim racist in this context and a shitty person who is a racist generally and deserved to be fired. i'd love to follow them on twitter. again, you're not a good reader. and your biases are leading you to be adversarial with strawmen while ignoring what i'm typing. try and by a smarter human being?
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Jul 27 2018 11:23am
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i've said multiple times now that roseanne is likely pivotting to the Middle eastern bullshit to not look anti-black racist. why are you so bad at reading?

i'm hypocritically following a narrative? please direct me ot the people claiming that she's not anti-black racist only in this very specific context but instead ignorantly anti-muslim racist in this context and a shitty person who is a racist generally and deserved to be fired. i'd love to follow them on twitter. again, you're not a good reader. and your biases are leading you to be adversarial with strawmen while ignoring what i'm typing. try and by a smarter human being?

yes, you are cherry picking pictures to fit your argument (like what I did that you promptly ignored).

i'm not ignoring what you're typing, you said at least once you believe Roseanne when she said she didn't know VJ was black; I'm calling B/S on that.

what is the deal with this "anti-muslim racist" opposed to "anti-black racist", are you implying one is less racist then the other? I really don't get what you're trying to prove here...
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Jul 27 2018 11:28am
Quote (Horford @ Jul 27 2018 11:23am)
yes, you are cherry picking pictures to fit your argument (like what I did that you promptly ignored).

i'm not ignoring what you're typing, you said at least once you believe Roseanne when she said she didn't know VJ was black; I'm calling B/S on that.


i believe her because i was her, previous to her tweet. i knew who VJ was and didn't know she was black. as i stated. there's something about personal experience (mixed with understanding the context of a pooly executed joke) that can change your perspective.

as to cherry picking, i chose a photo with her new haircut on purpose to avoid that bullshit claim. i guess it didnt work....

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what is the deal with this "anti-muslim racist" opposed to "anti-black racist", are you implying one is less racist then the other? I really don't get what you're trying to prove here...


i've said you don't understand context and nuance, and are over simplifying. yet when i provide it you still don't understand it. "less racist" fuck off kid, that's stupid. understanding who something is racist towards doesnt have anything to do with more or less racist. "prove", i'm justifying what i think, that's it.

roseanne shouldn't have been let back on TV, she's a racist mentally ill ticking timebomb. her tweet was inexcusably offensive, but i dont think she meant it to be offensive for the reason that it is. Like if i called you a little nancy boy because you wouldn't jump off a cliff into water with me, without knowing you're actually gay. sometimes things you say have an amplified effect for information you don't know. maybe with that poignant example you can finally understand i'm not a closet racist or racist apologist.

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Jul 27 2018 11:41am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 27 2018 01:28pm)
i believe her because i was her, previous to her tweet. i knew who VJ was and didn't know she was black. as i stated. there's something about personal experience (mixed with understanding the context of a pooly executed joke) that can change your perspective.

as to cherry picking, i chose a photo with her new haircut on purpose to avoid that bullshit claim. i guess it didnt work....



i've said you don't understand context and nuance, and are over simplifying. yet when i provide it you still don't understand it. "less racist" fuck off kid, that's stupid. understanding who something is racist towards doesnt have anything to do with more or less racist. "prove", i'm justifying what i think, that's it.

roseanne shouldn't have been let back on TV, she's a racist mentally ill ticking timebomb. her tweet was inexcusably offensive, but i dont think she meant it to be offensive for the reason that it is. Like if i called you a little nancy boy because you wouldn't jump off a cliff into water with me, without knowing you're actually gay. sometimes things you say have an amplified effect for information you don't know. maybe with that poignant example you can finally understand i'm not a closet racist or racist apologist.


so wait, let me get this straight, you thought VJ was hispanic? or white? (or middle eastern? Lol!) lol, I don't even... but I'll take you at your word I suppose...

I never called you a racist or meant to imply it (if I did ?_?) you just come off as a person who wants to badly defend Roseanne...

here's where we agree: "roseanne shouldn't have been let back on TV", 100% agree with you, ABC knew what they COULD get (both the good and the bad) and they got greedy, High risk, high reward situation and it bit them in the ass.

here's where strongly disagree: you seem to give Roseanne the benefit of the doubt where I think her tweet was not just some dumb/cute attempt at humor, I think it was her deliberately trying to get the 'likes' and attention from her MAGA/far right fan base on an intentionally racially charged tweet that she thought her audience would eat up & find funny. I think there's some mental issues there but using "ambien tweeting" and probably-overblown "mental illness" as a cover is SICKENING to me...

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Jul 27 2018 11:49am
Quote (Horford @ Jul 27 2018 09:41am)
so wait, let me get this straight, you thought VJ was hispanic? or white? (or middle eastern? Lol!) lol, I don't even... but I'll take you at your word I suppose...

I never called you a racist or meant to imply it (if I did ?_?) you just come off as a person who wants to badly defend Roseanne...

here's where we agree: "roseanne shouldn't have been let back on TV", 100% agree with you, ABC knew what they COULD get (both the good and the bad) and they got greedy, High risk, high reward situation and it bit them in the ass.

here's where strongly disagree: you seem to give Roseanne the benefit of the doubt where I think her tweet was not just some dumb/cute attempt at humor, I think it was her deliberately trying to get the 'likes' and attention from her MAGA/far right fan base on an intentionally racially charged tweet that she thought her audience would eat up & find funny. I think there's some mental issues there but using "ambien tweeting" and probably-overblown "mental illness" as a cover is SICKENING to me...


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Jul 27 2018 11:51am
Quote (Horford @ Jul 27 2018 11:41am)
so wait, let me get this straight, you thought VJ was hispanic? or white? (or middle eastern? Lol!) lol, I don't even... but I'll take you at your word I suppose...

I never called you a racist or meant to imply it (if I did ?_?) you just come off as a person who wants to badly defend Roseanne...

here's where we agree: "roseanne shouldn't have been let back on TV", 100% agree with you, ABC knew what they COULD get (both the good and the bad) and they got greedy, High risk, high reward situation and it bit them in the ass.

here's where strongly disagree: you seem to give Roseanne the benefit of the doubt where I think her tweet was not just some dumb/cute attempt at humor, I think it was her deliberately trying to get the 'likes' and attention from her MAGA/far right fan base on an intentionally racially charged tweet that she thought her audience would eat up & find funny. I think there's some mental issues there but using "ambien tweeting" and probably-overblown "mental illness" as a cover is SICKENING to me...


Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 27 2018 10:48am)
i knew who VJ was for a while before this, and personally did not know she was black. she doesn't look black, racially ambiguous with the potential for some black heritage? sure. but identifying as a black woman or 100% obviously black, no. am i shocked to find out she is partially black? no. with a gun to my head i'd guess hispanic.

i stated openly that i think roseanne is tweeking her story in real time to avoid pressure, and that she's too shortsighted to see that her pivot is also racist.

you really dont seem to be able to follow a conversation very well.


read better you blithering dolt...

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Jul 27 2018 12:18pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 27 2018 01:51pm)
read better you blithering dolt...


okay, give the lunatic racist lady the benefit of the doubt, i don't. that's where we differ.

I just had to confirm that (your guess of 'Hispanic'), because it seems like a hilariously uninformed guess to me, if you "knew who VJ was for a while" you'd think you'd know what her ethnicity would be but I guess not...
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Jul 27 2018 12:25pm
Quote (Horford @ Jul 27 2018 12:18pm)
okay, give the lunatic racist lady the benefit of the doubt, i don't. that's where we differ.

I just had to confirm that (your guess of 'Hispanic'), because it seems like a hilariously uninformed guess to me, if you "knew who VJ was for a while" you'd think you'd know what her ethnicity would be but I guess not...


yes im giving her the "benefit of the doubt" by saying she's generally a racist idiot who shouldnt ever be in the public light again. :rolleyes: you're reaching hard.

"hilariously uninformed"? i found out who she was after the iran deal, thought she looked racial ambiguous (another thing i've told you) and left it at that. i dont make it my life's mission to seek out what race people are. i dont know what race you are either, and i dont care.
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Jul 27 2018 12:53pm
Quote (Horford @ Jul 27 2018 12:41pm)
so wait, let me get this straight, you thought VJ was hispanic? or white? (or middle eastern? Lol!) lol, I don't even... but I'll take you at your word I suppose...

I never called you a racist or meant to imply it (if I did ?_?) you just come off as a person who wants to badly defend Roseanne...

here's where we agree: "roseanne shouldn't have been let back on TV", 100% agree with you, ABC knew what they COULD get (both the good and the bad) and they got greedy, High risk, high reward situation and it bit them in the ass.

here's where strongly disagree: you seem to give Roseanne the benefit of the doubt where I think her tweet was not just some dumb/cute attempt at humor, I think it was her deliberately trying to get the 'likes' and attention from her MAGA/far right fan base on an intentionally racially charged tweet that she thought her audience would eat up & find funny. I think there's some mental issues there but using "ambien tweeting" and probably-overblown "mental illness" as a cover is SICKENING to me...


the choice of whether or not to defend someone over a particular incident shouldn't depend upon whether you want to defend them or not
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Jul 27 2018 01:03pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 27 2018 02:25pm)
yes im giving her the "benefit of the doubt" by saying she's generally a racist idiot who shouldnt ever be in the public light again. :rolleyes: you're reaching hard.

"hilariously uninformed"? i found out who she was after the iran deal, thought she looked racial ambiguous (another thing i've told you) and left it at that. i dont make it my life's mission to seek out what race people are. i dont know what race you are either, and i dont care.


Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 27 2018 12:40pm)
VJ is black, so calling her an ape is racist. roseanne is a racist, who i believe did not know that VJ was black, so not anti black racism.


If that isn't giving her the benefit of doubt i don't know what is... lmao.

She knew VJ was at least part african american...
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