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#41
Mar 5 2023 08:51pm
No parasite should have a right to life at the cost of enslaving its host.
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Mar 5 2023 08:55pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 5 2023 06:34pm)
Republicans advocate for specific laws (i.e. the "heartbeat bill") which make it explicitly clear where they stand on the issue. They write the law, they pass the law. And those laws are popular, as I just linked you in the last post.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/support-for-15-week-abortion-ban-outweighs-opposition-wsj-poll-finds-11648821601



Republicans pass laws restricting abortion in either the first or second trimester. Democrats refuse to verbalize any restriction on abortion. The former is in broad agreement with the American public, the latter is an extreme position supported by fringe activists. If the Democrats were clever, they'd pivot back to Clinton's "safe, legal, and rare". But we all know the party is too far gone to entertain that.


Your party has lost abortion restrictions on the ballot in deep red states in the last year. I don't think your view is as popular as you think.
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#43
Mar 6 2023 12:39am
Quote (Jupe @ Mar 5 2023 08:10pm)
hmmm... i wonder what locations might apply for this treatment
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Probably like 20% of what currently happens.
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#44
Mar 6 2023 02:09am
well because rape happens.
and the woman should have the right to terminate the fetus..
the law should not protect the progeny of rapists.
the law should not be inhumane.

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Mar 6 2023 04:59am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Mar 5 2023 08:51pm)
No parasite should have a right to life at the cost of enslaving its host.


This,

Many studies find that humans aren't even self aware until around 18 months post birth. Should extend the timelines.
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#46
Mar 6 2023 06:19am
Quote (RedFromWinter @ Mar 6 2023 04:59am)
This,

Many studies find that humans aren't even self aware until around 18 months post birth. Should extend the timelines.



So by
netflixadaptationwidow
logic we can kill off the 18 month olds.

Because children are objects, not humans, which is a direct quote from this garbage human. Plaguefear’s quote is just too disgusting to repeat. Scroll up for that one.

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#47
Mar 6 2023 07:04am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Mar 5 2023 09:51pm)
No parasite should have a right to life at the cost of enslaving its host.


Odd that you are against your own right to life

Has nothing to do with babies tho
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#48
Mar 6 2023 07:54am
Quote (YeeHaw @ 6 Mar 2023 01:03)
Life begins at conception, period.


You cannot draw some arbitrary line saying, “oh here is life I guess, not a second before.”


There is no middle ground. Life starts at conception.


Quote (bogie160 @ 6 Mar 2023 01:12)
The most "extreme" Republican law in the past several years has been the heartbeat bill, restricting abortion after 6-weeks. That is popular with large segments of the American public, especially in the states where those laws were passed. Restricting access to abortion at 15 weeks is broadly popular with the American public at large, and is the default Republican position. Contrast that to Democratic politicians who can't find a single instance of abortion they don't support, and struggle in press conferences to express any position other than "legal up to (and shortly after) birth".

https://www.wsj.com/articles/support-for-15-week-abortion-ban-outweighs-opposition-wsj-poll-finds-11648821601



Vast majority of abortions are done very, very, early, I can tell you that as example in France 72% of abortions are done with drugs ("without intervention")
Then in EU the chosen delay is often around 10-15 weeks. Now seems that 85% of the american people would allow the right to abort, more or less freely.
I remember some republican state that diminished the delay to 10 weeks, the problem being these jerks were also putting the women in need in lines forcing them to wait.
Else 10 weeks would be ok too. Some other states have it way too late imo.

Heart beat means nothing, it's just a fool trickery: A real question could be: at wich age a fetus can survive outside...


What is the difference between an embryo, a fetus and a baby?

The main things to know:

The embryonic stage begins at fertilization and lasts eight weeks

The fetal stage is from the 10th week of pregnancy (if you count from the start of the last menstrual period) until birth

A rapid and complex transition occurs at birth from dependent fetus to independent newborn

The language we use to describe pregnancy and the development of the embryo or fetus is important. Unfortunately, language is now part of the fight for access to abortion
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Mar 6 2023 08:15am
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Mar 6 2023 08:17am
Explicitly going out of your way to make sure the woman doesn't get preggo vs taking a pill to terminate the fertilized egg seems like it results in the same outcome, I guess I don't believe life begins at conception

Iirc it's Catholics that believe in the opposite and that's why they oppose contraception?
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