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Feb 13 2023 03:41pm
Quote (Santara @ 13 Feb 2023 21:49)
You're not in the position to attest what mentally healthy people do. You know full well I have nothing to say to you, yet here you are still up in my notifications. Fuck off, cunt.


stop lying to yourself, gramps. apparently you have a whole lot of things to say to me, just nothing on topic. again, seek help.

Quote (Santara @ 13 Feb 2023 21:52)
My problem with the video is that it seemed to start with a conclusion (that improved brakes would have prevented the derailment), but then didn't give any support for the conclusion.


not true. it quotes a former federal railroad administration regulator. and it's not like it doesn't give a reasonably intelligent viewer plenty of clues what to read up on (mentioning the national transportation safety board (ntsb) / class II chemicals / high hazard flammable trains / electronically controlled pneumatic brakes (ecp) / trump's department of transportation repealing obama's brake rule...) - if they were genuinely interested in researching the topic, and not just trying to make silly little excuses for corrupt politicians and corporations.
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Feb 13 2023 03:51pm
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trump's department of transportation repealing obama's brake rule..



Ahhh... Trump bad... Obama good. LOL




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Ahhh... Trump bad... Obama good. LOL


fact: obama introduced a rule to make trains with dangerous cargo safer, which trump overturned due to pressure / legalised bribery of an industry. do you deny that?
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Feb 13 2023 03:57pm
Quote (fender @ Feb 13 2023 04:56pm)
fact: obama introduced a rule to make trains with dangerous cargo safer, which trump overturned due to pressure / legalised bribery of an industry. do you deny that?




Still nothing tying the brakes to the derailment. For all we know... part of the tracks could have heaved due to winter ground movement.
Pelosi could have stolen some railroad spikes.

Point is we don't KNOW. All we have is some left leaning website listing things that they haven't proved are related.

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Feb 13 2023 04:08pm
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Still nothing tying the brakes to the derailment. For all we know... part of the tracks could have heaved due to winter ground movement.
Pelosi could have stolen some railroad spikes.

Point is we don't KNOW.


it is conjecture indeed, but people want to know why trains like that dont have the best POSSIBLE security standards

as i said earlier, operating like that is more or less the norm unfortunately

what i really would like to know is why this accident is not getting more attention

the burning of the vinyl chloride at the scene gives people a false sense of security, plenty of very toxic products are now spread.....maybe thats why?
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Feb 13 2023 04:16pm
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it is conjecture indeed, but people want to know why trains like that dont have the best POSSIBLE security standards



A few conjectures of my own...

1. Maybe the new brakes "aren't" better. Maybe it was just some political sleight of hand. Trying to give a contract to a friend's corporation.
2. This isn't some generic car accident. We really don't have any idea WHY the train derailed.
3. Maybe Obama was trying to bankrupt the railroads, knowing they didn't need the new brakes, but trying to force it anyway.
4. A lot of what Obama did... looked good on the surface, but turned out to have hidden pitfalls.
5. A boulder could have rolled onto the track, and after the derailing there was too much mess to discover that.
6. A track joint could have separated.


I could go on for hours... BUT, you could also think about "other" possibilities for yourself.

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Still nothing tying the brakes to the derailment. For all we know... part of the tracks could have heaved due to winter ground movement.
Pelosi could have stolen some railroad spikes.

Point is we don't KNOW. All we have is some left leaning website listing things that they haven't proved are related.


we KNOW that the brakes the obama administration wanted for trains carrying flammable / hazardous cargo like that do in fact lower the risk of derailment and limit the damage in case of one. we KNOW that the trump administration repealed the rule, and this specific train was therefore not fitted with such brakes.

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The conventional braking system suffers from many weaknesses; one of which is in the reaction time. Because the engineer controls the flow of air into and out of the brake pipe from the locomotive, it can take up to two minutes for a commanded brake application to propagate to the back of a long freight train. This uneven braking can cause significant forces to build up between the cars in a train.

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ECP provides many benefits over the traditional braking system. For example, since all the cars receive the brake command at the same time, the brakes are applied uniformly and instantaneously. This provides much better train control, shortens the stopping distances, and leads to a lower risk of derailment or of coupling breakage.


but hey, keep shilling for the corrupt assholes privatising profits while endangering the general public with their greed, just because they are on your "team"...

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we KNOW that the brakes the obama administration wanted for trains carrying flammable / hazardous cargo like that do in fact lower the risk of derailment



Show me where this proof is, please.
I've even heard people claim... the Earth was flat !!

This post was edited by Ghot on Feb 13 2023 04:20pm
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Feb 13 2023 04:21pm
Quote (Ghot @ 13 Feb 2023 23:16)
A few conjectures of my own...

1. Maybe the new brakes "aren't" better. Maybe it was just some political sleight of hand. Trying to give a contract to a friend's corporation.
2. This isn't some generic car accident. We really don't have any idea WHY the train derailed.
3. Maybe Obama was trying to bankrupt the railroads, knowing they didn't need the new brakes, but trying to force it anyway.
4. A lot of what Obama did... looked good on the surface, but turned out to have hidden pitfalls.
5. A boulder could have rolled onto the track, and after the derailing there was too much mess to discover that.
6. A track joint could have separated.


I could go on for hours... BUT, you could also think about "other" possibilities for yourself.


just spending one minute researching what ecp brakes are could have spared you that embarrassment, lol.
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just spending one minute researching what ecp brakes are could have spared you that embarrassment, lol.



Show me, oh wise and powerful Oz.
You claim a lot of things.... and still haven''t linked one reputable source.

This post was edited by Ghot on Feb 13 2023 04:27pm
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