Quote (Santara @ Feb 11 2023 09:03pm)

Dude, that was obviously an attempt to explain something that had already occurred.

A prediction would be "Russia will lose this war" or "Ukraine will liberate XXX before YYY." By the way, I did make a prediction that Ukraine would liberate Kherson before the end of '22. That happened.

Quote (Santara @ Feb 11 2023 09:07pm)

LMFAO! Fantasy.

Quote (Djunior @ Feb 11 2023 02:39pm)

You've been trash posting from day one, as I just showed everybody here. So everybody understands why someone would be so butthurt to make this topic (can't ridicule leaders) while similar shit happens all around the world, lol

And your WAGER is not a prediction, only you were so sure that you posted that be your wager. Big lol again[/URL]

LMK

Quote (Djunior @ Feb 11 2023 02:39pm)

You know nothing https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/apr/21/ukraine-black-sea-fleet-russia

LMK

Quote (Santara @ Feb 11 2023 09:48pm)

I don't, even for a moment, deny shitposting. With the quality of posts by people like you and yours, substantive posting isn't called for.



Let you know? Maybe you should go read that again. They leased the Bleak Sea Fleet, not the fucking port! They didn't have to lease the fucking port BEACAUSE IT WAS THEIRS.

Holy self-own, Batman!

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Ukraine's president, Viktor Yanukovych, today agreed to extend the lease on Russia's naval base in the Crimea, in the most explicit sign yet of his new administration's tilt towards Moscow.

Quote (Djunior @ Feb 11 2023 02:52pm)

You that dumb? Sure they leased the fleet cuz fleet not theirs it's Ukrainian fleet!!! Yeah!!!

Holy mother of self pwnage!!!

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Yanukovych said the lease on Russia's Black Sea fleet that was due to expire in 2017 will be prolonged for 25 years, until 2042 at least.

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Under the terms of the agreements:

The Soviet Black Sea Fleet that was headquartered in the Crimean Peninsula at the time, was partitioned between Russia (81.7%) and Ukraine (18.3%). In exchange, Russia agreed to pay $526 million as a compensation for its part of the divided fleet. [2]

Ukraine agreed to lease Crimean naval facilities to Russia for 20 years until 2017, with an automatic 5 years renewal option.[7] Russia would pay Ukraine $97 million annually for leasing Crimean bases. This payment was deducted from the cost of Russian gas provided and billed to Ukraine.[2] The basing rules were set in a status of forces agreement, namely Agreement between Ukraine and the Russian Federation on the Status and Conditions of the Stationing of the Black Sea Fleet [BSF] on the territory of Ukraine.[8]

The treaty also allowed Russia to maintain up to 25,000 troops, 24 artillery systems, 132 armored vehicles, and 22 military planes on the Crimean Peninsula.[2]

Russia was bound to "respect the sovereignty of Ukraine, honor its legislation and preclude interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine" and, furthermore, Russian military personnel had to show their "military identification cards" when crossing the Ukrainian-Russian border; Russian forces could operate "beyond their deployment sites" only after "coordination with the competent agencies of Ukraine.".[2]

Quote (Santara @ Feb 11 2023 10:12pm)

You apparently didn't read further:



And for unambiguous reading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_Treaty_on_the_Status_and_Conditions_of_the_Black_Sea_Fleet

Quote (Santara @ Feb 11 2023 04:49pm)

That's because Russians are pieces of shit, as evidenced by their current behavior.

Quote (Djunior @ Feb 11 2023 05:50pm)

Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Vietnam and so on
So, all Americans pieces of shit?

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 11 2023 06:17pm)

Sure, if it makes you feel better.

Quote (Djunior @ Feb 11 2023 06:19pm)

British empire committed crimes against humanity everywhere, plus Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and so on
So, all Britons pieces of shit?

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 11 2023 06:24pm)

Sure, if it makes you feel better.
And you agree Russians fighting in Ukraine are pieces of shit, right?

Quote (Djunior @ Feb 11 2023 06:56pm)

The mercenaries, yes. Although a bunch of them were given a tough choice, stay in prison till you rot or die storming strongpoints.
The regulars (guys pulled from their village), no.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 11 2023 11:21pm)

Golden.

Quote (Djunior @ Feb 11 2023 07:56pm)

Just to remind you, this entire conflict could've been avoided but the arrogant West seriously miscalculated.

Quote (Djunior @ Feb 11 2023 10:33pm)

Golden.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 11 2023 11:38pm)

Desperate dodge. Just admit you hold others to higher standards than Russians?

Quote (Djunior @ Feb 24 2022 05:04pm)

Wouldn't it be better if both sides respected each others security concerns? It's a necessary step if you want to enjoy not only security but being able to trade with each other and have all other normal interactions economically and politically.

The West's stance that Russia is bad cuz they're not like us hasn't brought us any good or has it? Feel free to explain.

Quote (Djunior @ Feb 24 2022 04:21pm)

That kind of stance is not going to help anyone in this conflict...

Sadly it seems that this is going to spiral out of control. Unless NATO says eh, you know what, further expansion East really aint worth all out war. Lets back off, we had a good run anyways (seeing how many Eastern EU countries were able to join the alliance since the fall of USSR).

Which really would be the smartest move.