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Dec 2 2022 02:37pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ 2 Dec 2022 21:32)
I don't. I want equity for all, universal basic income.


Universal basic income doesn't guarantee equity, at least not in the sense the term is commonly understood by contemporary left-wing politicians.
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Universal basic income doesn't guarantee equity, at least not in the sense the term is commonly understood by contemporary left-wing politicians.


It gives everyone an even start, anywhere you can hustle your way to from there is on you.
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It gives everyone an even start, anywhere you can hustle your way to from there is on you.


That's "equal opportunity" in the literal sense of the word, which is decidedly different from "equity", which is nowadays understood to be synonymous with "equality of outcomes".

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 3 2022 07:41am)
That's "equal opportunity" in the literal sense of the word, which is decidedly different from "equity", which is nowadays understood to be synonymous with "equality of outcomes".


Equality of outcomes will always be a pipe dream because some people have far more potential than others, i think the most we can do and the least we should do is give everyone a relatively even start from nothing, obviously some people will still inherit or have stronger connections due to family links etc but you can not really fix that issue.
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What the hell is wrong with you people?
Every group deserves a place for themselves, even the lowly Africans.
If you can't say England for the English.........I don't even know how to finish this.
Beyond infuriating. :wallbash:
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What the hell is wrong with you people?
Every group deserves a place for themselves, even the lowly Africans.
If you can't say England for the English.........I don't even know how to finish this.
Beyond infuriating. :wallbash:


I say Canada for the Chinese! :banana:
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england is finished, pack your stuff and leave

Quote (Plaguefear @ Dec 2 2022 09:40pm)
It gives everyone an even start, anywhere you can hustle your way to from there is on you.


anyone can do that already, this is a fake argument to justify free monies for everybody

there are a zillion free or low cost opportunities for people out there to make a good living

why would you need a basic income to get people started when you can get started with zero right now?

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BTW, England now has it's highest crime rate ever.
Just by coincidence, right?
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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Dec 3 2022 01:12pm)
england is finished, pack your stuff and leave



anyone can do that already, this is a fake argument to justify free monies for everybody

there are a zillion free or low cost opportunities for people out there to make a good living

why would you need a basic income to get people started when you can get started with zero right now?


Right now my country gives free money to about 15 billionaires and could use that to give free money to everybody.
Sorry but i prioritise myself, my family and my friends over a morbidly obese oligarch who inherited iron ore rights.
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