Russia began the war by landing forces in Kiev to take over the central government and quickly replace it with their minions. If you eliminate the rightful federal government of a country, the country as a state no longer exists. America and other countries will not suddenly recognize Russian stooges as the legitimate representatives of the country of Ukraine. So calling the war started by Russia an existential risk for Ukraine is not hyperbolic in the slightest, it's just reality. It doesn't mean everybody in the territory of Ukraine dies, it means the state dies. The state represents the people of the country of Ukraine.

This post was edited by IceMage on Nov 16 2022 07:17am

This is air-defense missile, with serial numbers and all. Not a very good one since it's old soviet stock.
It was immediately identified as Ukrainian.

Do you really think Ukrainian would fire such missile in Poland like this ? While knowing it will be identified as Ukrainian ?

NO, this also means you are clearly siding with Russia and Putin. Bright clear.


https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=98207264&f=119&p=632674348



5V55-series missile of the S-300 AD system- a

The S-300 (NATO reporting name SA-10 Grumble) is a series of long range surface-to-air missile systems developed and operated by the former Soviet Union, now fielded by the militaries of Russia and Ukraine as well as several other former Eastern Bloc countries.


LOSER.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Nov 16 2022 07:30am

So if it was an errant Russian missile than its casus belli for world war 3, but if its an errant Ukrainian missile than its whoopsie nobody allowed to ask why Ukraine is firing missiles backwards from its border.
And especially damning is if anyone bothers to check the facts and debunk wartime propaganda instead of immediately leaping onto MSM fictions.

No way, read the post above, you just got caught yourself doing some kind of totally nasty claims. It's AIR DEFENSE ACCIDENT - END OF STORY.
Btw the 2 polish peasants were really, really, unlucky.
Stop spread false allegations like this it's ridiculous. And very saaad.
Repeat after me: "air defense"

"An armed attack has taken place in Europe against a NATO member " ? Wtf is wrong with you ??

Did you saw the 'errant'?

The people overthrowing their own government is not equivalent to a foreign power violently overthrowing the government of a country.

How much genocidal language and actions from Russia toward Ukraine do you need to see before you retire the absurd "Russia is just restoring popular sovereignty" argument? The propagandists on Russian television abandoned it long ago.

the war began 2014

greetings to the dark side of the moon 👋🏻

It is when its a color revolution backed and micromanaged by a foreign power, putting in place their puppet government. And its definitely not our first.



Have you ever seen me harping on some line about Russia restoring sovereignty? Just like I said a few posts back, their existence is now torn between being vassals for the east or the west. The most sovereignty Ukraine ever had in its history was still under the Russian thumb while in their sphere of influence prior to the Maidan, because at least they had free elections as a singular democratic entity. When that all got thrown out the window, its not like Putin came along as some noble benefactor to unify Ukraine and give them back their self determination.

You are spot on when it comes to the fact that once a democracy is shattered, that state no longer exists. And the original aggression that sparked this conflict out of a previously stable status quo was emphatically not by Russia, but against it. NATO expanding all the way up to their doorstep by force and spending 8 years ineffectively shelling the separatist regions. So as someone aware of both the morally damnable and pragmatically self-defeating history of the CIA's interventions and proxy wars, why should I support it this time around? At least when it took place in fuckaluckistan, it didn't threaten world war 3 or blow up the global economy, so we had the luxury of not caring.

"Errant" because it has lost its target which was a Russian missile.

These Groud to Air missiles have a range of 50 km, fall just few km at the border in poland.
According to Russia, the Russian strike closest to the Polish border fell 35 kilometers from this point which marks the entry into NATO territories.
The S 300 has a range of ~50km

Because Russia is attacking civilian installations and buildings up the the very Western side of Ukraine, far away of the front

Do you think such attacks against civilian infrastructures are justified ? Who's fault now ?

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Nov 16 2022 08:04am